@Mr_Capehill

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What, a lyrics contest?-)

Everyone loves Magical Trevor,
'cos the tricks that he does are ever so clever,
Look at him now, disappearing the cow,
Where is the cow, hidden right now?

Taking a bow, it's Magical Trevor,
Everybody's seen that the trick is clever,
Look at him there, with his leathery, leathery whip,
It's made of magic, and with a little flick,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the cow is back,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the cow is back,
Back back, back from his magical journey.

What did he see, in the parallel dimension?
He saw beans, lots of beans, lots of beans, lots of beans,
Oh, beans lots of beans, lots of beans, lots of beans, yeah yeah...

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we have hit 20 pages. god help us.
not that it matters when the clock hits sunday this thread is no more.
passing 700...............................

Last edited by jkirk on 27-May-2005 at 09:44 PM.

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@jkirk

shame on thread ending.

I do hope that Billsey is ok though. He is a character, and his lack of response is very strange for him.

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@treblesix

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treblesix wrote: @jkirk shame on thread ending. I do hope that Billsey is ok though. He is a character, and his lack of response is very strange for him.

If you knew him from his days on amiga.org you wouldn't say that. He was famous for this kind of behaviour.

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Sha la la la la la la laX3

(Verse)
When the day is dawning,
On a Texas Sunday Morning
How I long to be there
With Marie whos waiting for me there
Every lonely city
Where i hang my hat
Aint as half as pretty,
As where my baby's at

(Chorus)
Is this the way to Amarillo?
Every night ive been hugging my pillow
Dreaming dreams of Amarillo
And sweet Marie who waits for me
Show me the way to Amarillo
Ive been weeping like a willow
Crying over Amarillo
And sweet Marie who waits for me

Sha la la la la la la la X3
And Marie who waits for me

Theres a church bell ringing
With a song of joy that its singing
For the sweet Maria
And the guy whos coming to see her
Just beyond the highway
Theres an open plane and it keeps me going
Through the wind and rain

(Chorus)
Is this the way to Amarillo?
Every night ive been hugging my pillow
Dreaming dreams of Amarillo
And sweet Marie who waits for me
Show me the way to Amarillo
Ive been weeping like a willow
Crying over Amarillo and sweet Marie who waits for me

Sha la la la la la la la X3
And Marie who waits for me

Sha la la la la la la la X3
And Marie who waits for me
(sing till fades)

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@A1200

I better add one more page then!

@A1200

Garlic bread!?!?!?!?

I've tasted it. It's the future!

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Ya Husayn!

@thread
Wow, did ANYONE actually read this _entire_ thread?

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Hi wegster,


I read at least 340 of them.


Hi All,

It's simple really, if you don't accept being exploited, they kill you.

@wegster

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Wow, did ANYONE actually read this _entire_ thread?

Yes, thats why everyone has lost their minds and is singing.



Birdy Hop - he do, he hop along
a lonely bird upon a window there
he, he, there he blow
a windy snow, he knew the snow,
I know the snow, a hoppy bird

The antelope ride around the parasole
just to see if he's a man
enough to meet you in the sandpit
on a flying kind of sign in a meddlesome way
you know the way - I see the flies
she's a little kite the sort
you think you might like to fly
and like a kite you get to see her
every night, you know the way
she's only paving her way -
hectochrome plane - I see the flies.

Birdy Hop - he do, he hop along
a lonely bird upon a window there
he, he, there he blow
a windy snow, he knew the snow,
I know the snow, a hoppy bird

A camel woke up to a polish dawn
wouldn't look to see his feet had gone
he wouldn't like it
wouldn't have the strength to fight it,
I see the flies
I'm the only bird, a little third,
I lost a quarter
had a yearning to be earning just a dollar a day
in a way you shouldn't like it, hectochrome plane
I see the flies.

(Syd Barret. Birdy Hop)

Hello to all that are weighed down with/by religion,


For those that didn't notice, I've changed the subject heading in this post to:

Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow


I wanted to start a new thread, but it wouldn't have been a moderation free zone.

The reason I despise religion, on top of all the other things I've said about it is:

1) They stand in the way of progress.
2) They have decided that experiments NOT happen. (In particular, if they felt it may determine "Hey look, there is no god!". Sssssss (sucking in air, sound), my, my, my, .... wouldn't that be awful!)
3) They have decided to CHANGE the acquired results of experiments. (Either through an institutional religious organization, or a scientist on his own, having personal religious problems with the outcome of the experiment. The other thing the scientist could do is, as another scientist could carry out the same experiment and make that "disturbing" discovery, is, NOT publish that the experiment was ever done, and destroy all of his collected data. Now THAT'S a tragedy!!!)

In the case of reason 2, they claim 'ethics' are the reason, if they give a reason at all!

The only ethics I have is, does it hurt people?

Is it better for society, for the experiment in question be carried out?

If voluteers could be found (and there are volunteers for ALMOST ANYTHING), then really, ethics is practically a non-issue.

If anything, I DON'T see a problem with using murderers in questionable procedures, if those experiments would better society. They killed someone, the person they killed has no value, in their eyes, well then, THEIR existence has no value, in society's eyes, and it's a case of, "two wrongs DO IN FACT make a right". The killer has NO WAY TO MAKE AMENDS. Therefore, their life should/could be used to help prolong others' in society over all, and "return life where life was taken", by a medical procedure carried out on them, that would extend the lives of unknown amounts of others', over time, that would eventully exceed the amount of "lifetime" they've taken from someone else. HOW CAN THAT NOT BE FAIR? Or wrong? Society, overall, would benefit, and the cost of incarcerating the scumbag would be recoverable.


Now, why does the stanching of experimentation bother me sooooooooooooooo much?

Well, the one thing religious people have that I DON'T is, a guaranteed tomorrow.


Let me explain:

When god fearing people die, they don't really die, not unlike when god originally said "if you eat of 'The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil' you will die" (and they didn't quite exactly die either).

The Deitous crowd don't really die, but continue a different kind of life. An infinite life, with infinite memory, enjoyment, and comfort. They shure do get a lot, right?


What do I get? What do I have to look forward to?

There is nothing for me there, everything is OVER tomorrow. Once life fades away, there isn't anything more.

ONLY SCIENCE offers me a true and tangible mathematical probability for MORE tomorrows than I can currently guesstimate that I actullay have a chance at. It's the only hope I have.


If RELIGION stands in the way of my ONLY HOPE, then I despise it.

The only option of a "non-death" status is, avoiding death as long as is possible.

If they disallow experiments to proceed, they STEAL my tomorrows from me, with NO compensation. And GOD should damn them to eternal hell for that!


They're playing "god" with MY future!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Atheist,


For people who believe in god, you can stick that up your ass, if you can't stick it in your BRAIN.


NOW I'm being tres* rude.



* French word.

Wow! What a big thread, in such a short time! Does anybody want to post some edited highlights? (I'm buggered if i'm going to read all of this!)

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@Atheist

I think you need to chill out man. You're getting to be the same as Billsey albeit from an anti-religion stand point. Go and drink a Molson or something.

@cell

Burn the Atheist!

@Atheist

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If anything, I DON'T see a problem with using murderers in questionable procedures, if those experiments would better society. They killed someone, the person they killed has no value, in their eyes, well then, THEIR existence has no value, in society's eyes, and it's a case of, "two wrongs DO IN FACT make a right". The killer has NO WAY TO MAKE AMENDS. Therefore, their life should/could be used to help prolong others' in society over all, and "return life where life was taken", by a medical procedure carried out on them, that would extend the lives of unknown amounts of others', over time, that would eventully exceed the amount of "lifetime" they've taken from someone else.

Some Austrian guy 60 years ago had the same idea.

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@Atheist

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If anything, I DON'T see a problem with using murderers in questionable procedures, if those experiments would better society. They killed someone, the person they killed has no value, in their eyes, well then, THEIR existence has no value, in society's eyes, and it's a case of, "two wrongs DO IN FACT make a right". The killer has NO WAY TO MAKE AMENDS. Therefore, their life should/could be used to help prolong others' in society over all, and "return life where life was taken", by a medical procedure carried out on them, that would extend the lives of unknown amounts of others', over time, that would eventully exceed the amount of "lifetime" they've taken from someone else. HOW CAN THAT NOT BE FAIR? Or wrong? Society, overall, would benefit, and the cost of incarcerating the scumbag would be recoverable.

Not sure I'd word it the same way, but I agree, under certain circumstances- people who would normally be sentenced to multiple life sentences or the death penalty should certainly be part of this, without choice. In these cases, better them than on monkeys (seriously).

Perhaps others could elect to be part of research for some minor benefits as well.

Hmm, odd how Billsey has yet to make an appearance at all in the thread, but...*shrug*

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@Atheist
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If anything, I DON'T see a problem with using murderers in questionable procedures, if those experiments would better society. They killed someone, the person they killed has no value, in their eyes, well then, THEIR existence has no value, in society's eyes, and it's a case of, "two wrongs DO IN FACT make a right". The killer has NO WAY TO MAKE AMENDS. Therefore, their life should/could be used to help prolong others' in society over all, and "return life where life was taken", by a medical procedure carried out on them, that would extend the lives of unknown amounts of others', over time, that would eventully exceed the amount of "lifetime" they've taken from someone else. HOW CAN THAT NOT BE FAIR? Or wrong? Society, overall, would benefit, and the cost of incarcerating the scumbag would be recoverable.

i don't agree this is fair. they are doing their time humanely. to force them into questionable experiments is the same a torturing a person for info. anyone who allows this sort of punishment loses a little bit of their own humanity. on a mass scale we would be breeding the opinion that life is meaningless. crime may not rise(out of fear) but the society as a whole will be affected. i mean when the life termers and death sentence people are gone who is to say that they stop there and don't spread it to anyone committing a crime. then from there setting up people just so they will have another guinea pig. the only thing left at that point is to start testing the general populace. where do you draw the line?

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@wegster

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Hmm, odd how Billsey has yet to make an appearance at all in the thread, but...*shrug*

i am not expecting him at this point due to the fact there has been so much negativity towards him that he probably don't want to enter the lions den.

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jkirk wrote: @Atheist i don't agree this is fair. they are doing their time humanely.

Hi jkirk,

THEY didn't have the ability to be humane, did they?

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to force them into questionable experiments is the same a torturing a person for info.

These are people that you'll never ever pass on the street again, that I'm talking about.

I don't agree with torturing them, per say, I mean a medical procedure, or drug test's goal is to BETTER a person, not for their detriment. I'm not really talking about "let's see how long a person can go without water, in great heat, while working", here.

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anyone who allows this sort of punishment loses a little bit of their own humanity.

I suppose, BUT, it is THE ONLY way they have of doing ONE IOTA of restitution, trying to return something, for what they have taken!

MAYBE the family that lost their loved ones should be THE ONLY PEOPLE that have a right to make that decision of the ones caught?

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on a mass scale we would be breeding the opinion that life is meaningless.

The other side of the coin is, suffering will be removed, earlier, for countless others, into the future.

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crime may not rise(out of fear) but the society as a whole will be affected. i mean when the life termers and death sentence people are gone who is to say that they stop there and don't spread it to anyone committing a crime. then from there setting up people just so they will have another guinea pig. the only thing left at that point is to start testing the general populace. where do you draw the line?

Lines are ALWAYS being drawn, and someone's ALWAYS crossing them.

Look at what the US army has lowered themselves to, in the battle for Iraq.