Hi there everyone,

Anyone else feeling concerned that AOS4 might have problems if some of this stuff is true about Amiga Inc.? Especially the latest court papers saying their attourneys are dropping them.

I'm just concerned how air-tight Hyperions deal is to continue with AOS4 if Amiga go as they've done so much already, it would be a real shame for them to not be able to continue.

Chris

I know I just keep waiting for a public announcement from Amiga Inc. stating they have obtained additional funding, t-shirts are coming, coupons will be honoured, etc. I'd prefer to focus on that announcement rather than imagine what will happen to the AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4.0 if that announcement never comes.

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Very worst case scenario:

Hyperion maintain the IP for the work the have done on OS4 and continue its development (even if under a different name- this being ignorant conjecture on my part).

Eyetech in conjunction with Mai continue to provide us with the hardware to run OS4.

As Bean has posted in another thread on this topic at aworld.net, the linkages between parties who have a vested interest in seeing the OS4/A1 solution succeed are too strong now to stop OS4.

Of course this is all pure and wild speculation! Let all just see how things playout .

Personally speaking, I am very certain that things will pan out. I wouldn't have paid for half of our A1, and basically put myself down for an A1-Lite if I wasn't sure that things will look bright. I agree that many companies have come and gone with the Amiga, flase promises etc. But I never really took much notice of the Amiga scene once Commodore went bust, although I used to look at things with brother Bodie on the net.

This time round I have full faith that AInc along with Hyperion and Eyetech (I think Alan Redhouse is a legend) will make it happen. I'm currently unemployed, little cash in the bank (and believe me, little) yet I have full, and unswerving faith that it (the Amiga scene under AInc., and/ or Hyperion and Eyetech) will make it. I hope that within the short-term even more people will order A1's. I believe that the situation is ripe for an Amiga comeback.

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I have to say the current propaganda trail is not exactly going in Amiga Incs favour. However in order to construct a debate around whether or Amiga Inc ceasing to exist as a corporate entity impacts Hyperions ability to trade with AmigaOS4 requires access to information we don't have - the contract.

So it is a matter of who you are prepared to believe and what assumptions they have made to get to that stage.

I am personally prepared to believe, on this occasion, Ben Hermans has done his homework and that AOS4 and A1 are safe and none of the current troubles at Amiga Inc need unduly *directly* impact AOS4 and A1.

A lot of people spend a lot of time in trying to build a case as to why you should not invest in A1 and AOS4 with the main attack being against Amiga Inc, then they have to draw a line with A1 and AOS4 for anyone to be bothered.

What I'd like to know if that if Amiga goes bust and Hyperion has the rights to continue development the buyer of Amiga Inc may buy the rights again... :-/

I think that if Amiga goes down the rights of AmigaOS won't be in better hands than Hyperion's ones.

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I think if AInc sell the rights ( and Im not sure they even can ) or rather someone else obtains the rights then that should be a company set up as a congolmerate of interests:

Eyetech, ex-Amiga Inc employees, Hyperion, Mai etc.

Maybe MorphOS might even get an "AmigaOS3.1 compatible" sticker for a license fee?

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by DaveP on 26-Sep-2003 8:41:45 I am personally prepared to believe, on this occasion, Ben Hermans has done his homework and that AOS4 and A1 are safe and none of the current troubles at Amiga Inc need unduly *directly* impact AOS4 and A1.

I am inclined to agree with you here. From the previous talks about a worst case scenario with AI going under, the A1 H/W which is in Eyetechs capable hands, and the OS (in Hyperions) were both safe-guarded. I still do not see the necessity for the "Amiga" community to keep carrying on like this. Most other groups rally together and support each other, but this one just seems to get worse each day

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Most other groups rally together and support each other, but this one just seems to get worse each day

Can I please ask why?

Seriously, I was a power user in the "good old days", and yes I've been forced by events to leave the active Amiga "scene" switching to PC as my main computing platform, but I never forgot my favourite computer and always followed what's going on with the various Escom/GW/Amino buyouts.

But I've never fully understood what really happened between MorphOS and Amiga community. Why do they "hate" each other? is there some place on the 'net where I can find additional infos?

And what about the things being published on the so-called "merlancia" site? At first I thought this guy was against the (ex) owner of that company, but recently I've also seen documents from the Genesi VS Amiga lawsuit... who's this guy against?!

Please help me understand!!!

PS: please do not think I'm a lamer/troll/whatever, I'm just an Amiga enthusiast who wants to know why this community is splitting instead of cooperating (well, apart from obvious economic reason since we're talking about two companies...)

PPS: in case you're wondering, I understand that AInc has made a lot of mistakes, but I am more than willing to support them (NO intentions of buying a Pegasos, to clarify my point of view even more! )

PPPS: sorry if this has been answered a lot of time, I'm just new to this board (I used to go to... ehm... the "other one" until I understood it was a bit pro-Genesi / anti-Ainc)

What is this problem at Amiga Inc? How will this affect the Amiga One Lite?

Where can I read more about this?

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by Turrican3 on 26-Sep-2003 11:57:54 Can I please ask why?

Well simply because you either have people who want to follow Genesi and the Pegasos/MOS combination, or those who want the official AmigaOne/AOS4 solutions. Unfortunately, placing yourself into one of these groups usually means you get abuse from the other, whether those doing the abusing actually follow one group or the other is another matter entirely, and indeed some people are just vocal on the matter just to create problems.

There is also a lot of "Parent company" bashing, with people just constantly attacking the corporations resposible for these two rival products. Admittedly most of this is aimed at Amiga Inc, but Genesi has had it's fair share of bashing too. It is just that no matter what happens, someone starts yet another AI bashing thread, or brings up something from the past over and over ad infinitum, and to be honest it is wearing a little thin.

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Miffo wrote: What is this problem at Amiga Inc?

1. They have had a cash flow problem for a year, most of the employees seem to be working on a voluntary basis until better times. They were evicted from their offices in a dispute with their ex landlord ( over rent ).

2. They sanctioned an AOS4 which was not from a certain other company thereby creating instant enemies overnight ( oh and alleged publically that said product from other company contained stolen source ).


3. They are in a dispute with said other company over a contractual clause, said company claims they have the right to request AmigaDE be ported to any of their hardware, Amiga Inc disputes this. None of us have seen the contract, it is in discovery right now, theres a prelim sometime in early october.

4. During the legal proceedings evidence of (1) became publically available in a deposition by Bill McEwen.

5. Amiga Incs corporate lawyers have requested that they be excused from the case, this has not been signed by the judge yet and Amiga Inc need to find alternative legal counsel ( if they have not done already ) pretty damn quick, we dont know the reasons for why - at least not publically and nor does anyone else who is able to comment in a public forum. The outcome of said case is either (a) AmigaDE gets ported to competitors product or (b) it doesn't. Woooo! Exciting!

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How will this affect the Amiga One Lite?

You tell me, in the absence of seeing Hyperions contract for AOS4, who it is signed with all we see is just endless sea-lawyers speculating on line in a direction that suits their personal agenda.

I would say .... not at all. Not least because it is not an Amiga Inc product, it is designed by a company called Mai and manufactured in the far east the only thing that could ever be affected is the /name/ of the board.

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Where can I read more about this?

Depends on what you want to read. Speculation? Opinions? Jeering or just facts?

1. agreed.Financial difficulties have been plauging AInc.

2.This is a pretty good summary.However the actual statement said they dont see how it could be done without using code, not that it actually did.The line is fine, but an important distinction.One must realize also that until this point Genesi was the only player in this field, and by announcing OS4 and a new generation of hardware they effectively trashed the consumerbase Genesi were counting on to support thier development.Signs of financial strain have appeared in that quarter recently.

3. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure the dispute is over the denial of the request by Amiga Inc, not over the fact the company in question had the right to submit said request.

As for hyperion and OS4 and eyetech and amiga one, I have been under the impression that hyperion owns OS4 completely, but that Amiga Inc retain the right to buy it at a later stage.The only question is the name "amiga" for both eyetech and hyperion.

A good source of information would be the Q&A with fleecymoss on this site.

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I am personally prepared to believe, on this occasion, Ben Hermans has done his homework and that AOS4 and A1 are safe and none of the current troubles at Amiga Inc need unduly *directly* impact AOS4 and A1.

There seems to be one thing that people keep forgetting. Indeed, the "what looks to be really bad situation AInc is in now" does not seem to affect Hyperion directly, concerning the ability to continue work on OS4.

But it does affect the (bad) circumstances in which Hyperion have to work on OS4. Everybody seems to forget that with a strong and healthy AInc, we would probably allready be using OS4 on CPPC and AOne.

Hasn't anybody wondered yet what the situation would have been if Hyperion would have been backed by a company with money for development?

As the situation is now, we are not even certain if Hyperion will manage to keep alive themselves. 2 years with little income and two key programmers working on this project, must not be easy.

So i say: it does has a lot of impact on OS4. But we seem to be so used to AInc having no money, that nobody wonders what could have been with a healthy mother company.

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I just want to say "thank you" to _Steve_ for his answer, actually I have to say that I was looking for a more... "detailed" answer but I understand that everybody here is trying to avoid flames if possible.

Please believe me when I say that I just wanted to know "how it all started": last thing we need being in such a small community is splitting forces IMHO

Bye

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2. They sanctioned an AOS4 which was not from a certain other company thereby creating instant enemies overnight ( oh and alleged publically that said product from other company contained stolen source )."

They where not very clever to post that in public and not doing anything about it (legal action). Even though they where probably right at some point.



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3. They are in a dispute with said other company over a contractual clause, said company claims they have the right to request AmigaDE be ported to any of their hardware, Amiga Inc disputes this. None of us have seen the contract, it is in discovery right now, theres a prelim sometime in early october.

I believe the entire contract was available on the Merlancia (rich woods) site at some point.



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5. ...... The outcome of said case is either (a) AmigaDE gets ported to competitors product or (b) it doesn't. Woooo! Exciting!

And AFAIK that Genesi gets the rights to use the Amiga brand and certain logos on the Pegasos (and future Genesi devices??)

That is a big problem IMHO and a reason that AMIGA must not loose this court case!

If it was just about AmigaDE I couldnt see the problem as development time used on the MOS version would mean less time used on the AOS4 version (probably).

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For reasons of courtesy I can't say where or how I know this.. but if AI goe's tits up.. then Hyperion are free to complete 4.0 4.1 4.x etc etc.. ongoing...

So don't worry , al the eggs are not in one basket.

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That has been public information for a while and a very good thing:)

I believe what concerns most people are whether Hyperion and Eyetech can legally continue to use the word Amiga for their products?

And what if some company (Genesi?) bought out Amiga could they then buy back AmigaOS4 as Hyperion has said Amiga Inc can for a reasonable fee? Or is that deal tied to the current Amiga Inc.

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When I first heard about A inc's financial troubles, I thought that "all" they needed to do was to somehow hang on untill OS4 comes out. But really, is OS4 going to generate that much cash for them? Unfortunately, I cannot see anything on the horizon for them

Maybe it would have been best if, as soon as A inc realised that they were in serious trouble, they gave Hyperion rights to the name, and had a contract to use it for the (higher risk) DE. Since Hyperion is obviously around to stay, they could at the very least have stopped others getting it.

Instead, if Amiga goes bust and someone buys them, they will have the license to plaster "Official Amiga" on anything. But far more worryingly, would US bankrupcy laws essensially nullify any existing contracts (ie with Hyperion)? If A inc are in dire trouble (and its impossible to say) and the above is true (any lawyers here?) I'd certainly pay a bit if it meant that Hyperion could buy the Amiga name in its entirety.

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