@saimon69

are you sure? I speak German and went quickly over this thread but my impression is that the discussion is quite sick. Don't loose your time ..

@ASiegel

to be honest Grunch does not work on Zune and Aros 68k and there is no Aros port either. I have asked Geit about it and answer was it is not his problem. That is not only the case for Grunch but for many other components/software from MorphOS. On MorphOS everything is "closed" but if you want other to use or support something from MorphOS world you must offer support and/or sources. If not no support and no option to use it either. Simple as that. Where sources are open and the products are interesting they get ported (like OWB as a example).

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@OlafS25

Zune needs to be fixed to be MUI 3.8 compatible. It is hopeless to get 68k software working on Zune until this is done. Later on it could be made MUI 4.2 compatible but AmigaOS 3.1 and MUI 3.8 compatibility should be the most important targets to AROS/68k to gain ground.

That is, reaching Open Amiga standards as they were defined long ago.

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@itix

I answered to ASiegel because he said that AROS should use Grunch (what is not possible right now). I know that Zune is not fully implementing 3.8 right now but if MorphOS devs want other platforms to use something they must help to get it fixed otherwise MorphOS software is no real option. Or they say "Use MorphOS instead" that is a view but for others no option.

MUI 3.8 perfectly works in Aros 68k but it is a problem for the other hardware platforms.

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@OlafS25

Actually he was not. He was just asking is it irrational (...) when there is Grunch that works on AmigaOS and MorphOS?

Grunch is not "MorphOS software", it is Amiga software that supports two of three Amiga platforms. Grunch is not solution to AROS users, I give you that. InndieGo can be solution to AROS users but since AmigaOS and MorphOS users have various package managers (Grunch, MorphUp, AmiStore) there is overlapping development on those areas since many years and IndieGo is not an exception.

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@itix

As far as I know Grunch only works without problems on MorphOS. On AmigaOS it does not work perfectly and users have AmyUpdate so they do not use it. On Amiga OS it propably works (have not tested it for a long time) but noone doing the needed scripting (another problem) so I do not know of anyone using it there. On Aros 68k it not works correctly either (not even with MUI 3.8) but many other programs do so it is a Grunch problem and not a Aros problem in my view. For any other platform not available at all.

In short... now no real option

Overlapping development on Amiga where shall I start?

CybergraphX 3 on Aros, Cybergraphics 5 (closed) on MorphOS, Picasso96 on AmigaOS (closed)
different implementations of Warp3D on all platforms

and so on... different Update-/Package-Manager are only a small part of that

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@itix

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That is, reaching Open Amiga standards as they were defined long ago.

+1 :)

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@OlafS25

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I answered to ASiegel because he said that AROS should use Grunch (what is not possible right now).

As itix pointed out, I wrote no such thing and I also never claimed that Grunch or MorphUP were perfect. I just pointed out that, if someone was very serious about avoiding unnecessary competition and fragmentation in the AmigaOS, AROS and MorphOS communities, there are existing solutions and services that one could extend or include in in other ways.

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Overlapping development on Amiga where shall I start? [...] different Update-/Package-Manager are only a small part of that

For the record, I am not the one who complained about competing development efforts... I am simply questioning whether it is appropriate for phoenixkonsole to heavily criticize others for their supposed lack of motivation to reuse existing solutions in one way or another.


@phoenixkonsole

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Obviously it is made as base for indieGO!-OS / Broadway and AEROS. So as nice i am i thought to work together, providing the API to 3rd parties so they can include it in existing App Store solutions.

So, if you need it for other projects anyway and are merely offering it to interested parties out of pure kindness and with no other motives, why do you still feel a strong urge to repeatedly make public emotional posts criticizing third parties for not taking you up on your offer?

@ASiegel
Can you Imagine that there may Happen more than written on a forum board?
Yes? Good. I have my Reasons and no need to Excuse me here.


Jack, gnash and so on could utilize the API and participate from sales. This was offered from the beginning. So what? Isn't this Cooperation at max?

Next Point :
Aminet .... Nice
But i need Hosting for other non amiga Plattforms as well.
Secondly I offer a comercial product and so I would like to have my hands on the files.
Also server side offer more functions as cloud saas and other goodies.

But again: everyone can participate and build upon it.

Can we come back to topic? I've got tired of explaining, one reason to stop that itrational cooperation ideas : )

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