@OneTimer1

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The retro user might be OK with something starting their old Amiga500 games but for a market on a significant level you would need something Windows or Linux can't do. I have no real idea what this could be, just keep in mind that AROS is an OS that can't make usage of multiple cores and has security issues compared to modern OSes.

Exactly the point, I think.
I'm using Linux for basically all my private endeavors, and Windows at my dayjob (embedded SW).
ON the upside - having tried Icaros desktop in a VM yesterday - it booted into the desktop in about two seconds - even less than than the BIOS grace period for any average PC.
Although it later effed up during installation. Having made the virtual HD too small, the install just ended in dozens of error message boxes to click away. Not a thing you could expect the average user to deal with.
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And thinking on an OS that can run with a small footprint, might only be interesting for embedded markets but there are plenty of FOSS OSes that are better suited for this.

And even as a virtual machine to experment with it has to compete with BeOS, Haiku and the like.
BTW, "embedded" is not a very sharp criterium. This ranges from bare-metal code on 8-bit MCUs up to full-blown embedded Linux (or POSIX) applications.
I deal with systems wich are more than a decade behind the curve in performance, tools and methods, but which require safety level certifications. Cortex R, Cortex M or proprietary architectures at a similiar level.

@codis


Have you installed Icaros?

Icaros has not been updated for a decade, on AROS many Cores have been updated and hundreds of bugs have been fixed !!!

If you want to try AROS you have to install AROS One, the installation of AROS One is fast and surely you will not encounter any problems, hundreds of users have installed it without problems, you can also use a Live Pendrive of AROS One both as an Operating System and as an installer

Last edited by AMIGASYSTEM on 26-May-2025 at 02:50 PM.

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@AMIGASYSTEM

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Have you installed Icaros?

The "Icaros desktop live!" version there : http://aros.org/download.html
A relatively recent version I installed in a virtual machine (virtualbox), which worked fine so far.
Assuming "Amiga heritage", I choose a highly optimistic 4GB as virtual HD size.
I started the "install to harddisk" icon on the desktop, and added the development tools to the selection.
Wich is exactly where it crapped out - while unzipping development tools and libraries, with dozens of error messages to click away. For sure, the HD was 100% full.

I would have expected a reasonable installation process to check available disk size beforehand ...

@codis

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codis wrote: "embedded" is not a very sharp criterium. This ranges from bare-metal code on 8-bit MCUs up to full-blown embedded Linux (or POSIX) applications.

I'm also an embedded developer, used bare-metal Systems (8051 Keil-C) Linux on ARM (Q7, RasPi) , built Yocto and Buildroot.

I don't see AmigaOS or AROS on the same level as RTOS or Linux. Linux is great because you can have its security and TCP/IP, you can decide if your system has GFX, GUI or if not. RTOS has not built in capability for TCP/IP (AFAIK)

When I try to explain people why AmigaOS and AROS are not modular enough, I get typical nonsense replies from AOS fans. For embedded 32 bit systems I would need possibilities to compile it myself, with a huge list of options:
[_] 68k, Coldfire ARM,
[_] GFX
[_] GUI
[_] Filesystem
[_] TCP/IP
[_] Serial Console
[_] ...

And security is another point.

Last edited by OneTimer1 on 27-May-2025 at 11:02 AM.

Good idea this. Looking forward to try it out. Thanks

@codis

I am not saying this to favour my distribution, but the Icaros you downloaded is the old 2.3 version which as mentioned is not up to date with the new cores and is not compatible with the new versions of AROS.

Concerning the installation, it could be due to corruption of the file you downloaded, or to a wrong configuration, 4GB could be low if you do a full installation (Use an 8GB HardFile so you can install more software).

You can find some videos on how to configure VMware (recommended) or WiryualBox in the attached link, you can also find my Distribution if you wanted to try it.


https://sites.google.com/view/arosone

Last edited by AMIGASYSTEM on 27-May-2025 at 04:44 PM.

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@AMIGASYSTEM

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Concerning the installation, it could be due to corruption of the file you downloaded, or to a wrong configuration, 4GB could be low if you do a full installation (Use an 8GB HardFile so you can install more software).

No debate - the 4GB were far too optimistic. I had remembered my A4000 with a 850MB harddisk, which I barely managed to fill about a third. And I had opened a file manager afterwards, telling me the harddisk is 100% full.


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I am not saying this to favour my distribution, but the Icaros you downloaded is the old 2.3 version which as mentioned is not up to date with the new cores and is not compatible with the new versions of AROS.

I might give it another try as soon as I find the time.
But I see no point in experimenting with this old version (the latest the aros.org website offered), so I will probably wipe the VM from disk.

On a related note, the VirtualBox website offers several VMs for download, too.
The "newest" Icaros Desktop VM there is V1.5 : https://virtualboxes.org/images/aros-amigaos/
Just saying ...