@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: it is no longer amiga.

And you would know about computers that are not Amiga [cough]SAM460[/cough].

An Amiga with PiStorm runs Amiga OS Workbench, runs Amiga 68k productivity software and games. Uses Amiga drivers to talk to Amiga hardware peripherals. A developer can run SAS/C to compile software for the Amiga. It even has the branding of Commodore and Amiga on the case.

Sounds like an Amiga to me.

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@cdimauro

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Michal is an active user of this forum, so I expect that he shows up, but likely you misunderstand something.

Wrong. You assumed wrong.

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No. I'm simply telling that Amiga's PowerPC accelerator boards froze the 68k CPU in the system, and took full control.

I'm already aware of the non-concurrent behavior with Phase 5's PPC/68K PowerUP solution.

You assumed wrong.

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Emu68 is bare metal, so there's no Linux neither any other OS, and it fully owns / takes care of all resources in the system.

Atm, Emu68 is a lite-hypervisor with a 68K JIT translator.

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@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: it is no longer amiga. pistorm changes your amiga into keyboard interface for rpi. if you using pistorm you are idiot because you may have the some for zero euro just use winuae on pc

PiStorm-Emu68 only replaces the non-Commodore-Amiga Inc 68K.

Emu68's addon drivers are real AmigaOS 68K addon drivers.

The main point of PiStorm-Emu68 is to keep the retro Commodore-Amiga Inc.'s ASIC IP and replace Motorola's CPU ASIC. In theory, the ASIC 68K CPU could be kept operational with Emu68 providing just the addons (storage, WiFi, NIC, RTG, Fast RAM). For A1200, this is limited to a 24-bit memory address limited 68EC020-14.

Atm, PiStorm32+Emu68 can be software disabled and fully switch back to barebone A1200.

Unlike WinUAE (on top of Windows NT HAL/ACPI), Commodore-Amiga Inc.'s AutoConfig(TM) is on bare metal.

Z3660 solution can do hybrid 68060 with Z-turn SBC providing addons (storage, network, RTG, Fast RAM) besides replacing Motorola's CPU ASIC (JIT 68K on ARM) or operating like barebone A3660 (C= A3640 modified for 68060).

The true "Amiga" is the dual branding Commodore-Amiga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od9L15FUfKE

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pistorm changes your amiga into keyboard interface for rpi.
if you using pistorm you are idiot because you may have the some for zero euro
just use winuae on pc

@Hammer

stop this shit
provide something on arm no more than 20 years behind win/lin/osx or get lost

My friends, my dearest-est friends,

I can't possibly fathom how you are attempting to reason with the encephalitis ridden pseudobrain rolling inside the thick, cavernous skull of ppcamiga1.

This absolute spastic was already making zero sense A DECADE yes A DECADE ago with the very first message he felt the need to share with us all: (inspired to do so, go guess, by the MOAM ((master of all mongoloids)) cdimauro himself:

https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=40500&forum=2&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#767541
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@cdimauro On PowerPC (MOS,Amiga OS 4) pen values in rastport is still BYTE value. Public interface was not broken. MOS and Amiga Os 4 has new API to set ULONG pen.

It makes me frankly, honestly, most genuinely wonder:
is this, ultimately, the reason for Amigaworld Dot Net to exist?.

Taking care of the less unfortunate minds, the Amiga Wars veterans left forever crippled, giving them an avenue to vent out their PTSDs, express themselves the only ways they can - their cognitive skills forever impaired, autistically shambling along online communities that would just laugh them off?

If(f) so, EMBRACE ME ppcamiga1,
I will listen to you, argue with you,
perhaps at time even pretend to agree with you.

LET THE PEANUT BRAINS COME TO ME, AND DO NOT HINDER THEM, FOR THE KINGDOM OF AMIGA BELONGS TO SUCH AS THESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



/M.E.G.A. �✓

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some scumbags and idiots try to convice us amiga users to switch from ppc to x86/arm
I see no reasons to use amiga os or it clones on x86/arm as long as they are still on win 98 level
For commodity hardware I have decent oses like windows/linux/mac os
so mega, karlos, szulc, szonwejs, abot, hammer, cd mauro stop trolling and start working on aros
made it no more than 20 years behind windows/linux/mac os

@michalsc

he is not a liar.... he believes the nonsense he writes propably

ignore him... do not feed the troll. You give him only joy

@ppcamiga1

No it doesn't. PiStorm only does CPU Emulation (yes, it adds a graphics board and a Wifi Card, but asides from that the original Chipset is used).

This is also why PiStorm is faster than "full emulation" solutions like Amiberry (it seems to be around 10-15% faster, and that was before the Emu68 1.1 Speedups in the CPU Emulation - just because it does not have to emulate the chipset but uses the real existing chipset.

And no you cannot have the same with WinUAE on PC. WinUAE does not run on an Amiga 1200. And it does not use the Amiga Chipset.

@Hammer

As far as I understood Michal for now he just thinks WarpOS, not OS4, on this (probably easier to achieve). I am also not sure if he actually started on something or just considers doing it.

Personally I think it would be a smart move to start with WarpOS (easier to achieve, as only a pretty small API would need to be provided, and no bootstrapping the OS and whatnot). Of course maybe if this works good, maybe OS4 could be the next step ?

But right now I am not sure if he does this or not. I hope he does.

If it runs at good speed it solves the issue of gcc 68k at one point maybe no longer available. And many optimizer issues/lib issues/headaches when porting a program to 68k (of course I would still do 68k versions for programs where things slower than a PiStorm could run them). And it also would at least partially solve the "library xy not available for 68k" issue. For WarpOS much more (though not as many as for OS4 and MOS) libraries are available, compared to 68k (though SDL2 is not available for WarpOS either).

@ppcamiga1

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you may have the some for zero euro just use winuae on pc

Are you giving away free windows PCs?

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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

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MEGA_RJ_MICAL wrote: My friends, my dearest-est friends, I can't possibly fathom how you are attempting to reason with the encephalitis ridden pseudobrain rolling inside the thick, cavernous skull of ppcamiga1.

Not my goal, and harbour no illusions of changing pppcamiga1. Can't use reason to get someone out of a position to which they've arrived in absence of reason.

I just occasionally challenge some of his cloistered remarks for my own amusement. Unfortunately he offers no sport, as his replies are usually copy/paste of thoroughly debunked statements.

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@ppcamiga1

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pistorm changes your amiga into keyboard interface for rpi. if you using pistorm you are idiot because you may have the some for zero euro just use winuae on pc

A PC with a Freesync/Gsync monitor (to support 50 Hz PAL) is NOT zero cost, you stupid clown.

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@MagicSN

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MagicSN wrote: @Hammer As far as I understood Michal for now he just thinks WarpOS, not OS4, on this (probably easier to achieve). I am also not sure if he actually started on something or just considers doing it. Personally I think it would be a smart move to start with WarpOS (easier to achieve, as only a pretty small API would need to be provided, and no bootstrapping the OS and whatnot). Of course maybe if this works good, maybe OS4 could be the next step ? But right now I am not sure if he does this or not. I hope he does. If it runs at good speed it solves the issue of gcc 68k at one point maybe no longer available. And many optimizer issues/lib issues/headaches when porting a program to 68k (of course I would still do 68k versions for programs where things slower than a PiStorm could run them). And it also would at least partially solve the "library xy not available for 68k" issue. For WarpOS much more (though not as many as for OS4 and MOS) libraries are available, compared to 68k (though SDL2 is not available for WarpOS either).

With Emu68's very fast soft68040, there's very little point in Haage & Partner's WarpUP/WarpOS, and Hyperion Entertainment's AmigaOS 3.2.x doesn't include Haage & Partner's WarpUP/WarpOS.

Amiga Corp/Cloanto's KickStart 3.X/Workbench 3.X doesn't include Haage & Partner's WarpUP/WarpOS.

The main point with WarpOS/WarpUP is a method to access higher compute performance beyond the fastest 68060 via PPC 604e (CyberStorm PPC) and 603e (BlizzardPPC) without a full PPC AmigaOS port.

There are unofficial WarpOS PPC configurations e.g. Sonnet Crescendo 7200 https://github.com/Sakura-IT/SonnetAmiga

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@ppcamiga1

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some scumbags and idiots try to convice us amiga users to switch from ppc to x86/arm

PPC wasn't Commodore-Amiga since it was Petro Tyschtschenko's direction with backing from Phase 5's PPC adventure. Phase 5 was selling PPC accelerators for the Mac market.

Many Amiga users didn't buy into Petro Tyschtschenko's PPC direction since the price entry wasn't A500's price range.

Amiga is not a Mac.

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@OneTimer1

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OneTimer1 wrote: Quote: cdimauro wrote: ... emulating the entire chipset is a completely different thing, and will make totally useless (and not needed) the Amiga in the PiStorm ... It doesn't matter where but an emulation needing the original hardware, is doomed in the long run.

Right. But new hardware also means new OS, which is unlikely coming.


@pixie

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pixie wrote: @cdimauro Unlike WinUAE, the 68k can communicate directly with the PiStorm hardware. In both cases, AmigaOS still provides audio, graphics, and internet, but through different means.

PiStorm is in much better position, because it can offload many things to the host.

What's more important, the emulated CPU can run at full speed comparted to WinUAE, because it shouldn't care about the chipset (exactly like the 68k CPU which was running on the machines).


@Karlos

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Karlos wrote: @cdimauro Quote: cdimauro wrote: @Karlos Well, definitely not LOL. But it looks strange to see PHP used for it. Yeah, it was a bit of a "why not" moment.

Good for you that you had the time and the right priority to realize it.

My "Amiga (OS) virtualizer" written in Python is still lagging in the pile of projects to be done.

@Hammer

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Hammer wrote: @cdimauro Quote: Michal is an active user of this forum, so I expect that he shows up, but likely you misunderstand something. Wrong. You assumed wrong.

I've found the original statement, and you're right: https://www.patreon.com/posts/whats-new-in-v1-137864826

The additional core is still free for other work (EmuPPC maybe?)

Strange, because of what I've reported before.
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Quote: No. I'm simply telling that Amiga's PowerPC accelerator boards froze the 68k CPU in the system, and took full control. I'm already aware of the non-concurrent behavior with Phase 5's PPC/68K PowerUP solution. You assumed wrong.

If you're aware, then you continue to be wrong, because a completely frozen 68k processor does NOT require any core for emulating it: one core is enough for emulating the only running processor (a PowerPC one. Physical or emulated) in the system.
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Quote: Emu68 is bare metal, so there's no Linux neither any other OS, and it fully owns / takes care of all resources in the system. Atm, Emu68 is a lite-hypervisor with a 68K JIT translator.

But you've talked about Linux...

@MagicSN

stop lie
stop spreading pistorm propaganda bs
emu68 work like winuae whole os is emulated

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@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: some scumbags and idiots try to convice us amiga users to switch from ppc to x86/arm I see no reasons to use amiga os or it clones on x86/arm as long as they are still on win 98 level For commodity hardware I have decent oses like windows/linux/mac os so mega, karlos, szulc, szonwejs, abot, hammer, cd mauro stop trolling and start working on aros made it no more than 20 years behind windows/linux/mac os

I don't take orders from a complete idiot which isn't able to distinguish a C64 game from an Amiga one.

My only pleasure is bashing your CraPPC UnderPoweredPC processor which runs on PCs-with-x86-CPUs-replaced-by-PowerPC-ones which are NOT, and NEVER will be, Amigas.

go to nearest municipal garbage dump
you can get old pc runs faster 68k code than emu68 for free