@Samwel

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Only parts of it has been released by the respective authors. But many parts remains unreleased to this day.

Er, there have been 4 full and official releases, far more than "only parts by the respective authors", the only thing that Ambient being open source changed is the facts that it's now being updated and that there's an LGPL statement in the licences directory of the MorphOS distribution, as there is other free parts. The official reason for the non-release of 1.5 is this: "It's not ready".

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@gary_c

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two more weeks?

Stop flaming! It's just stupid to keep on adding fuel to the fire.

Two more weeks has no more validity on todays development of OS4 anyway.
And hasn't for atleast 3-4 years really (since they stopped telling everyone it will
be released soon). Also todays OS4 is more like the planned OS4.2 with some
parts missing. I think that stupid comment was made by Amiga Inc 2001 or something.
Can we please drop it now???

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@samface

One external component of the OS, replaceable with anything you want (like Scalos) != partially open sourced, and in this specific case the fact that the desktop fell out of the project means that it met the most development it's ever seen. This doesn't mean anything about the rest of the project and this discussion is NOT about MorphOS. Do NOT bring it up.

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@Rogue

I was not aware of that site, thanks for the link. Quite nice too :)
BTW there is still confusion about all this licensing stuff......could you sell AmigaOS4 under a different name?
Is it part of your contract\agreement to sell it only under the "Amiga" name?
Is it part of your contract\agreement only to sell it to be used with "Amiga" licensed hardware?

I am sorry about reasking this stuff but all this licensing stuff has gone 'round and 'round and gets confusing, especially with everyone puting in thier two cents worth.

The thing is, on that site it was mentioned the GUI could be "rebranded" for a potential customer.
Is it then possible for some company to" purchase*" OS4 for thier product....lets say: Gadget X under thier brand name of "Gadgets r us" and call OS4 "gadgetOS" WITHOUT a license for thier hardware from Amiga Inc? (with absolutely no referance to Amiga name,company or branding whatsoever)

* purchase, license, contract hyperion to supply for etc.

This hardware situation gives me the sh*ts it really does. I would really love to see it on cell, and then only would the "Amiga" be close to what it was for me: fun easy OS on unique powerful hardware.....in the A1200 format (that being the slot between laptop and desktop)

@all
Bugger Genesi and all that claptrap, OS4 on a "rebranded" PLAYSTATION would simply be sweet.
BBRV needs to shut his trap, and actually DO something if he wants to bring Amiga to the pegasos other that flap his lips.Words mean nothing, actions everything, and his past actions do not engender any kind of trust.

IF he was truely interested, he has the chance of doing something as there is now an opportunity to do so. There is no hardware for us, his site\other comments make the point a "customer" can oder a certain number of boards (50 I believe was the example) with slight modifications to the referance design. Then it is simple. PAY hyperion to do the port, get the license from Amiga Inc., do the modification on the hadware that is necessary(if any at all) and then sell the "Genesi Amiga"
Only in that fashion (as I see it) will he be able to bring users across to his hardware, and thereby capture the "Amiga market"
He claims that his hardware is better, cheaper etc, and if he did this it would go along way to fixing these "trust" issues. I would estimate thqat he could sell perhaps up to 2000 boards which *should* cover the cost of doing this.

Then after that he can make money from the sales.....short term expense for long term gain.

Of course, he has never explained the REAL reason for his reluctance to do this either.

Stop playing games and start being straight.

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@Samwel

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Samface is actually correct in his statement. Although said in a flaming manor.

I don't think so, really. Circumstances have changed a lot since the days when Genesi was financing MorphOS. If AmigaOS came into the Genesi sphere somehow, I don't think comparing that situation in 2006 to the MorphOS situation in 2003 or so makes any sense. I assume (my opinion only), AmigaOS would continue to be developed independently. The only differences would be a) good, available hardware, b) immediate sales and much-improved prospects for future sales, c) participation by the AmigaOS community in Power.org along with all the other remaining players of the PowerPC/Power platform. (The last point being the most important from Genesi's perspective, I believe.)

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Only parts of it has been released by the respective authors. But many parts remains unreleased to this day. Will we ever see them? Only time will tell.

This is irrelevant to the AmigaOS situation, I think. The MorphOS team and AmigaOS team each have their own characteristics, priorities, time frames, etc. Also, Genesi doesn't control MorphOS development; that's up to the MorphOS team.

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Who is the one that's holding the release back? BBRV and salory? Or simply Franks pride? Any other reason?

BBRV is not involved in any way, as I understand it. The decisions are apparently mainly Ralph's, with input from Frank and other team members.

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@AMiGR

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"It's not ready"

Sorry, but that seems little bogus to me. 3 years of development for an update
that isn't THAT major really. It's not a complete rewrite of MorphOS is it?
Some parts have been released to the public with "special thanks to Ralph for
letting us release it" type of comments, like the 3D part. So why not release
everything? I recall reading that people have seen it running and it being quite
stable to (a long time ago). So what's up?

It would be nice for the sake of competition if MorphOS is being actively updated
also IMHO.

Has the kernel (exec) and other core parts been updated in these interim releases?
Or is it only OS apps and utils?

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@samface

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(Responses to gary_c should be considered a) thinking out loud, b) talking to yourself, or c) discussion for the possible benefit of other readers or just for the record. gary_c does not yield to others' arguments no matter what the content or validity.)

Sorry, switching names makes the statement incorrect. I'm more interested in accuracy and rationality than pushing a point of view.You can scan back up this very thread, in fact, to see where I was corrected by Yabba. Feel free to offer a similar instance of yours.

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@thread

Enough. Next troll, flame, or added .02cents without any point after the time of this post is getting a restriction. If you're posting and didn't read this, then sorry, but that's the way it goes.

And no, this thread is NOT about MorphOS, attacks or other things not related directly to the topic that can be seen as flaming or baiting, will be.

@Samface - leave the 'backstabbing' type comments out of it, as well as the 'fuhrer' BS.
@ronaldst - yeah, that added a lot, didn't it? Don't bother with another in this thread.
@gary_c - The two more weeks #### can go somewhere outside of this thread. Even if joking, in the context of the past several pages, it's simply going to be taken as baiting at this point of the thread.

This thread's degraded several pages back, but was hoping it would improve. It hasn't. If you're unable to post without insults on this subject, don't bother.

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@samface

Well apparently, Amiga have the same attitude toward anyone. I have yet to see them issue a license to anyone who has tried, even those who are not Genesi. And if that's the way you think a professional business is run.. well. Just look at companies like Sun and Microsoft. They had lawsuits and odds to no end, but are now cooperating again. Any PROFESSIONAL company knows that $$ and market share are the bottom line, and not their ego.

It's a pitty to see people arguing and fighting over table scraps.

Let's move from AmigaOnes to Pegasos, from one dead end to another dead end.

We aren't even sure if the PPC970 is gonna get further revisions later on.

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@AMiGR

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One external component of the OS

External? Maybe from a technical standpoint depending on how it is integrated or not integrated into the OS. However, I do believe that most people would agree that the desktop is a *part* of the OS, hence the wording "partially". Want to continue this stupid arguments over semantics or will you finally give it a rest?

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@gary_c

Ehh I meant Ralph but I mixed him up with Frank

About Samface being correct, that was about the single statement about
parts of MorphOS being open source. Ambient being just that means he
was correct about that. I'm not saying I agree with any other statements.

But why don't they release it? They must see that they destroy their own
community? I have read some desperate posts by users that want updates
to MorphOS.
MorphOS will slowly die if they never update it. Even if hardware is available!

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@Samwel

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Quote: Quote: two more weeks? Stop flaming! It's just stupid to keep on adding fuel to the fire.

That was flaming? Sorry, I meant it as humor/sarcasm, which maybe is out of place here.

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@gary_c

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That was flaming? Sorry, I meant it as humor/sarcasm, which maybe is out of place here.

Depends on the context. At this point of the thread degrading into the usual BS, yeah, someone's going to take it as baiting.

edit- no spell check

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@wegster

I beg to differ. MorphOS is in the topic.

Is Genesi still interrested in the Amiga market, could very well mean..
Is Genesi still interrested in funding further MorphOS developments?
As I think they won't ever fund OS4 developments anyway
But you never know, stranger things has happened.

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@Samwel

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I beg to differ. MorphOS is in the topic.

Great, but attacks and anything even remotely similar to trolling, baiting or flaming are not, about MOS or other. It's time the remaining 'participants' of the thread bring things back into normal discussion without the insults, or have it done for them.

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@gary_c

Hehe I'm not bothered by the "two more weeks" comment myself but I know
alot of others that are. Making it in this time when the thread was getting a little
"hot" would be called baiting/flaming.

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@wegster

I agree. We are all adults here and should act accordingly.

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@Herewegoagain

I'm quite convinced at this moment in time that Amiga Inc wants the name "amiga" associated only with Amiga Anywhere, and not with anything else; hence the stonewalling of pretty much any project other than the original A1 + OS4, which unless things change pretty soon will oblige them by sinking without a trace in just a year or two. I suspect the reason behind this is that they want to project a "moving with the times, not stuck to the past" image, which would be ironic since the entire reason for using the name "amiga" is retro appeal.

@thread

Actually, we'll even go one further here. If any of you feel so inclined (let's say at least 4 people), go start a thread in FFA, and get it all out of your system. I'll even start it for you. Just slug it out or say what it is you 'have to,' but get it out of your system OUTSIDE of this thread, and ONLY in that thread.

You'll note the above has generally only been done for Atheist in his more insane moments, but feel free, creating a thread now, participate if you like, or not, but keep it out of here.

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