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yak 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 0:33:55
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@Samwel

Yes, I agree with you, we need both low-end and high-end systems. I just said what I would buy. It's not that I don't want a powerfull Amiga, it's just that I'm sure I will not afford to buy one right now. Low-end should be fine for me, for a start.

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Hans 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 0:34:41
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@Samwel

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We need a really small board with a CPU in the G4 1GHz class that sells for sub
$150.. You know a case, harddrive, DVD-burner, memory, keyboard and mouse
has to be added to the cost. OS4 offers too little for anyone outside to take a chance
on a system that costs more than $400 for a complete system. IMHO of course.


Would that be less than $150 including AmigaOS4? I don't think that this would be feasible. They do need to make some kind of profit on OS4 and the hardware. Windows XP home costs about $100 so you can't even do that with a wondows box. Other windows versions are considerably more expensive.

I agree that we need both high and low end machines. The high end ones get people's interest and show that we're not using obsolete hardware; the low end is what poeple who just want to try it out will buy. If I was an ex Amiga user or someone that had never used it before, I wouldn't go out and buy a high-end machine right away. Particularly if OS efficiency and being "fast and usable even on old hardware" are touted as selling-points.

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Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 0:39:01
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@DaveAE

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...preventing proper 'multi-media' use.


Like not being able to play sound and sample at the same time..?! *hint, hint..*

Anyway, if I could just get a job I would buy a new high-end system immediately if it has DDR RAM. Else I'll settle for the 1.7GHz module

Btw. How is the 1.7GHz module supposed to be clocked in the current A1's? I mean, does the multiplier really go as high as 13 (12.7) for 133MHz FSB or 17 for a 100MHz FSB?? What frequency will it run at if the FSB is set to 133MHz?

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Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 6:33:54
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@Hans

I'm talking main board only of course.

It would make the whole computer (case, board, OS and everything) go
for around $400 which would be amazing, just like the old A1200 days

I understand that they can't sell them as cheap as that in reality.
But IMHO that is what would be needed for reaching +5000.

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Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 6:36:50
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@Deniil715

FSB @ 133MHz because that's what Articia S supports.
But I guess Adam has thought about this and will supply us with a
"manual" of some sort which explains how to do everything.

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wolfe 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 9:48:44
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I would buy the ACK when it came out but the video module is supposed to be released after the main board releases, so I will wait for both then buy.

" Mini-PCI slot GFX. There will be a Radeon Mobility 7500/9000 based product released after the PV.
ACK " Here

I don't have a Mediator, my A1200 is still in its DT case waiting for this upgrade, for what seems an eternity now . . .

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ssolie 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 15:54:29
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@wolfe
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I would buy the ACK when it came out but the video module is supposed to be released after the main board releases, so I will wait for both then buy.

Plans change. Adam is currently thinking of replacing the slot with a Radeon Mobility chip set directly on the board. This was discussed in #amigaworld yesterday with ackcontrls. If you prefer one way or the other you might want to email him with your preference.

Personally, I'd push for removing the slot myself. My experience with add-on boards for Amiga products has been rather dismal. I've seen far too many h/w guys put slots and connectors on their products with the promise of options to plug into them later only to be disappointed. In other words, I think the lifetime of the PV product will be too short to warrant the slot.

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ikir 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 16:03:04
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@ssolie

?? I was thinking PV was into production/testing

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Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 16:06:19
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@yak
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I would like to have some low-end system. It should be possibly cheap, stand-alone (currently I don't have any Amiga and I don't want to buy A1200 to enhance it) and hw-bugs-free (not like A1). I want to use it for software development mainly.

It would be great to have another OS4 developer!

You may want to re-think your stance on the 'hw-bugs-free' and buy a used A1. The SE is a lemon, stay away from it. The XE has the Ethernet vs VIA IDE problem which is nasty but you can avoid it with an IDE controller or apply a fix to the board. Some XEs also have the USB port debouncing issue which you can avoid by just not hot plugging devices or a hub. The MicroA1 has no known problems that I'm aware of. So yeah, there are some probs. with the A1 boards but only the Ethernet vs VIA IDE prob is a show stopper and it has a workaround. If you want a cheap board to develop software with the A1s may become very viable options once new h/w is shipping. Assuming the pricing of the used boards is reasonable of course. IMHO

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ssolie 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 16:07:03
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Hans 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 16:12:23
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@ssolie

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Plans change. Adam is currently thinking of replacing the slot with a Radeon Mobility chip set directly on the board. This was discussed in #amigaworld yesterday with ackcontrls. If you prefer one way or the other you might want to email him with your preference.


So how much longer will the redesign take. I was under the impression that the PV was almost there. This sounds like there is still a fair amount of work to be done. Having the Radeon chip on board would be good. However, the MiniPCI slot would still come in handy (depending on the added cost of course) because you could then plug in say, a wireless MiniPCI card.

BTW, does AmigaWorld keep IRC logs? Is there any other important information in that IRC chat with ackcontrls?

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hatschi 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 16:13:04
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@ssolie
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Plans change. Adam is currently thinking of replacing the slot with a Radeon Mobility chip set directly on the board.


How often will his plans keep changing until the PV is finally going into production!? Who knows, maybe he reconsiders his CPU-choice (again) in 5 months?
Was there ever really a source for Mini-PCI gfx cards? There must be a reason why this was even considered in the first place.
I somehow get the feeling that we will see further delays...

He always made it appear as if the design/layout of the PV was "frozen" already, well, he even told us that it went into production.

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hatschi 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 16:22:01
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@Hans
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Having the Radeon chip on board would be good. However, the MiniPCI slot would still come in handy (depending on the added cost of course) because you could then plug in say, a wireless MiniPCI card.


I agree, having a Radeon Mobility chip onboard would be a good idea. However, I can't understand why such basic decisions on the board design haven't already been made when the PV supposedly was already "in production".
The Mini-PCI slot would still make sense, but won't be needed for Mediator users who still have access to their PCI slots.

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ssolie 
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Posted on 17-May-2006 16:36:20
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@hatschi
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However, I can't understand why such basic decisions on the board design haven't already been made when the PV supposedly was already "in production".

Again, stuff happens. No, we were not all informed when the plans changed.

Perhaps a massive group hug will help us all get through the horrid betrayal. All together now.

I say let's see what happens with the CPU card demo that was scheduled on or about May 22 and start over from there. We could of course just argue indefinately about who said what and when and point fingers but I really couldn't care less. I'd rather see shipping hardware and maybe discuss the new plan which is designed to deliver that new hardware.

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hatschi 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 16:44:50
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@ssolie
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I say let's see what happens with the CPU card demo that was scheduled on or about May 22 and start over from there.


Hopefully not the same that happened to the Amy prototype demo that was scheduled for May 12.

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We could of course just argue indefinately about who said what and when and point fingers but I really couldn't care less.


I just can't stand it when I get the impression that potential customers are taken as naive fools that eat everything you throw at them.

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CodeSmith 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 17:45:41
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@ssolie

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ssolie wrote:
@ikir
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Transcript, please?

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Frags 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 17:59:18
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@Hatschi

I`m really disappointed at this revelation - I really believed it would be any day now
It`s pretty obvious that there won`t be any pv any time soon after all.

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Posted on 17-May-2006 19:03:20
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@Toaks

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i want the 1.7ghz module ;)

Me too!!

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ssolie 
Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 17-May-2006 19:25:47
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@hatschi
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I just can't stand it when I get the impression that potential customers are taken as naive fools that eat everything you throw at them.

Er... too easy.

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Amigo1 
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Posted on 17-May-2006 19:40:00
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@spotUP

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spotUP wrote:
i'd sell my a1 instantly, and buy this new highend board, but then i also want the power vixen to pimp my a1200, depending on how it will handle hw banging stuff though.

me too!

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