@Hammer

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Hammer wrote: @AmiGame Quote: Isn't it WinUAE and AROS not good enough for you then ? Atm AROS X86 doesn’t quite run AOS legacy applications transparently …

As of 2006 I really have no more need for emulating apps from the 80's. On the rare occasion I do, I'll run it under UAE in an OS3.9 environment that I plan on keeping indefinately anyway.

If AROS reaches the point where native apps for it are comparable to apps on OS4, that's when I jump.

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@pixie

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pixie wrote: @Fransexy Quote: Probably, An X86 version of AOS4 also would not run legacy applications If AmigaOS 4 is going embedded, it would make sense to have applications made for the embedded device and they might as well be native...

Good point.

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@Fransexy

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Probably, An X86 version of AOS4 also would not run legacy applications

If AmigaOS 4 is going embedded, it would make sense to have applications made for the embedded device and they might as well be native...

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@Fransexy

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Probably, An X86 version of AOS4 also would not run legacy applications

Course it would, a X86 version of OS 4 would have the Gladioli emulation system allowing PPC apps to run, including Petunia which would, in turn, enable legacy 68k apps. I can see it all now...

@Hammer

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Hammer wrote: @AmiGame Quote: Isn't it WinUAE and AROS not good enough for you then ? Atm AROS X86 doesn’t quite run AOS legacy applications transparently …

Probably, An X86 version of AOS4 also would not run legacy applications

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@AmiGame

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Isn't it WinUAE and AROS not good enough for you then ?

Atm AROS X86 doesn’t quite run AOS legacy applications transparently …

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@T_Bone

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T_Bone wrote: @Rogue Quote: Rogue wrote: Look at the situation of Yellow Tab and tell me why a company selling into the oh-so-profitable x86 market has filed fro Chapter 11? because they didn't target the AmigaOne instead?

Sorry, didn't mean that as sarcastic as it came out. What I meant was, what should they have targeted that would have made them more than the hundreds of thousands of sales they've made on x86?

Pegasos? Old PPC Macs? AmigaOnes? Would any of these worked out better?

They tried the proprietary hardware approach (BeBox), they just barely outsold AmigaOnes.

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@T_Bone

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T_Bone wrote: @Rogue Quote: Rogue wrote: Look at the situation of Yellow Tab and tell me why a company selling into the oh-so-profitable x86 market has filed fro Chapter 11? because they didn't target the AmigaOne instead?

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@Rogue

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Rogue wrote: Look at the situation of Yellow Tab and tell me why a company selling into the oh-so-profitable x86 market has filed fro Chapter 11?

because they didn't target the AmigaOne instead?

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@polka.

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What the heck has AROS (3.1) to do with AOS4 (4.0)? This logic is flawed.

Hum... why would the version number of AmigaOS be of any relevance to AROS?

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@Rogue

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Contrary to x86, PowerPC are being used in embedded applications.

Either you live with your head under the sand, or you're purposedly and blatantly lying.

But let's say for a minute that you are right, that the x86 is absolutely absent from the embedded market and PPC dominates: what makes you think you'd be able to make a dent in a market as competitive as the embedded one?

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We do have a PDA running AmigaOS to begin with (unfortunately I don't think I am allowed to show the video I recorded), and there are concrete plans (which I surely cannot comment on).

While you fiddle with your PDA, take a look at this video showing linux+enlightenment on the Zaurus PDA.

I'd be curious to know how you think you can compete with that, or linux in general, in the PDA market, yet alone with giants like Windows CE, Symbian and the like.

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@Boot_WB

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Boot_WB wrote: @Rogue I think the numbers say it all. Ignore your customers, lose your customers.

Well, it isn't going to happen, so, BYE!

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@ssolie

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The hardware is basically free, the software has freedom but the social support network is polluted with an arrogance and confrontational attitude I can't stand.

Don't worry, everything you said is completely mutual. I'd say we're better off without each other

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Late as usual...

I voted yes, as I'd buy an x86 machine running OS4 if forced to, as a last resort, if there were no other options available.

Surely the OS efficiency isn't hampered that much by weak old HW?

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@Rogue

I think the numbers say it all.

Ignore your customers, lose your customers.

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@Serpi

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I didn't say that there aren't cheap x86 boxes, but I answered to pixie who said x86 boxes would be always cheaper then PPC boxes.

"X86 boxes" was not defined and Pixie's would be true in general terms e.g. ACER is the world's 3rd largest PC vendor vs a niche player.

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@Rogue
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Contrary to x86, PowerPC are being used in embedded applications.

Again with the "x86 is nonexistent in the embedded market" fantasy? You might want to take a look at this webpage which lists the industries which use x86 in their embedded products.

http://www.intel.com/design/embedded/solutions/index.htm

Don't take the development documentation to heart though, check out the case studies which specify companies that are currently using x86 embedded solutions. A small sampling of companies from the hundereds of real-world case studies:

(http://www.intel.com/design/network/solutions/search.htm?iid=embed_home+sol_case&)

National Instruments
ADLINK Technology
QLogic
Network Appliance
Micro Industries
American Predator
NetScaler, Inc.
Cyclone Microsystems
RadiSys
Elmic Systems
iTelco
Cisco
eSoft
DataCore Software
OmniCluster Technologies
Sensory Networks
TenAsys
AGT Electronics
Applied Data Systems & AutoMARK Technical Services
ZTE
Gigabyte Technology
Creo
Colorgraphic

...the list goes on and on. So, spare the "no x86 embedded presence" myth. If you truly want to sell OS4 to the embedded industry, you'll do a lot better if you face the reality that there IS in fact a massive x86 presence which isn't going to disappear overnight.

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@Serpi

Well, let just put it this way, if Aone had the power of a top of the line SGI no one would brag about it's price... you can have x86 who costs more, but either they are way more powerfull then the available ppc or those who sell them are just stealing their costumers...

Now, do you even bothered to check the setups of a Mac x86 against PPC? It seems you haven't...

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@Hammer

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Try find a PPC based laptop (or build a comparable barebone solution) that can beat AU $799 Acer laptop

I didn't say that there aren't cheap x86 boxes, but I answered to pixie who said x86 boxes would be always cheaper then PPC boxes.
Apple shows that this isn't the case, their x86 boxes aren't cheaper then their PPC boxes.

Ciao, Alfred

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@Rogue

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Reason 2: x86 equals Windows

Depends on the market segment e.g. servers and HPC (e.g. ILM and Google HPC** AMD64 clusters) i.e. refer "Lintel" labels.

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