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herewegoagain 
Re: Samantha traveled to France (updated)
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 19:35:33
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@elwood

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Pricing: this will go down if/when more people will buy it. And as they have good contacts with industrial customers, it will probably go down enough.
Now please remember that many Amigans said the A1 was too expensive. These people should be interested by this board at this price. Also read below why they will be interested.


Well, we also remember that the A1 was suppose to retail for $500 USD or there about. Then by the time they got into the hands of the dealers, the price was around $975 USD and that was just the board! That's the main thing that killed the A1 momentum, otherwise many people would have bought it. If they can get the SAM 440 out for $500 USD, and include OS4 with it, then you will have a sell. But that price will still have to come down after sales reach a certain figure, otherwise, you will reach a stalled market again.

Personally, I would be very interested in the whole system if it were in that case with the name Amiga printed on it. But only if the price didn't become too outrageous.

If the board could be manufactured in enough quantity to get the cost to $199 or below for the board, and then add another $125-$150 for the cost of OS4, then it would be a good start.


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Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 19:36:10
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AMIGA 400 sounds good to me...

We had A1000, 500, 600, 1200, 2000, 1500, 2500, 3000 and 4000

I think anything bigger than 4000 sounds silly

A400 is good as it takes the name from the cpu used...

A800 is ok too but there is no technical reference...mind you why were Amigas named 500, 1000, 4000 and so on do we know?

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Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 19:38:10
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The next Amiga based on Samantha hardware has to be named:

Amiga 400 or Amiga 440

It's so clear...



How about Amiga A.5 ?


Actually, that's kinda cool...

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FithisUX 
Re: Samantha traveled to France (updated)
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 21:07:48
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@Herewegoagain

For 200$, this board will sell like hot cakes. But 500$, probably there will be problems.

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K-L 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 21:15:45
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@wegster

Actually, while speaking with one of the board developpers at the Alchimie 2006, I asked for the estimated price for the highest spec board (the 667 Mhz version), I was first answered 400 and then 500 depending on the demand. I extrapoled with Relec (seller of the nice cases, also present at the Alchimie) what would be the total price of a whole configuration withous display. It could en up at maximum 900 (including VAT).

But this is extrapolation. Let's wait until, maybe, mid 2007 if something really happens.

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Derfs 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 21:30:02
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-"Hey Derfs? Yes, you! Do you understand now that there was a point in posting the links to all the videos in this post? This is a 5200 SoC processor that costs a few dollars only, on a motherboard that can be sold for less than a hundred dollars (including profit margins)! Only Amiga makes it possible!"



so you are saying i can buy that today for under $100? and what if all i want is os4, can i get that with it also from today?

if you play the price game, you will get compared to x86 and lose, as its much cheaper. if you play the os4 game you will get compared to samantha and lose, as it has more chance to run os4 (based on recent interviews and news).

why did you call me over anyway?

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COBRA 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 21:58:39
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@K-L

Was that 400-500 EUR including or excluding OS4?

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adiaux 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 22:21:54
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@Derfs

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@takemehomegrandma

so you are saying i can buy that today for under $100?


No I am not saying that. I don't think they are even available yet? There are only a few days left now for the Get a FREE Efika for your project idea campaign (which ends at the end of the month, or when the 200 slots are filled). They will ship them *after* that. Freescale buys these boards at $299. $(299-99)*200=$40,000 "extra", so don't expect a price drop until some time *after* that .

It won't be difficult to lower the price of Efika. But they might decide to "skim the market" a little first, I don't know. But some would be prioritized perhaps?

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and what if all i want is os4, can i get that with it also from today?


If you want OS4 today, it seems to be a big no-no in general

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if you play the price game, you will get compared to x86 and lose, as its much cheaper.


Cheaper than the MPC5200B? I doubt. Besides, x86 is out of the picture, and has never been *in* the picture, so it doesn't matter.

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if you play the os4 game you will get compared to samantha and lose, as it has more chance to run os4 (based on recent interviews and news).


That would be a loss for OS4, not me personally.

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why did you call me over anyway?


Oh, just wanted you to see that there was a point in posting those videos (since you complained in that other thread) .

At least some people was enlightened here about what Amiga can do for a low specced machine.

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K-L 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 23:03:56
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@COBRA

Obviously, it was excluding Amiga OS 4

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Zylesea 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 24-Oct-2006 23:20:55
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@COBRA

I first was sceptical whether Sam has enough power to do full speed dvd playback. But after
first tests with the 400MHz 5200B have shown that dvd playback at full resolution takes about 92%
processor power, the 440 should be able to do this, too - given the dma data transfer is similary good
solveable.

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Bodie 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 25-Oct-2006 0:43:20
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@K-L

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K-L wrote:
@wegster

Actually, while speaking with one of the board developpers at the Alchimie 2006, I asked for the estimated price for the highest spec board (the 667 Mhz version), I was first answered 400 and then 500 depending on the demand. I extrapoled with Relec (seller of the nice cases, also present at the Alchimie) what would be the total price of a whole configuration withous display. It could en up at maximum 900 (including VAT).



Ouch... that would be around $750 AU for just the mobo .

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Skunkfish 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 25-Oct-2006 1:09:20
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I think it should be called the AmigaTwo.

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_ThEcRoW 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 25-Oct-2006 1:16:36
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@Skunkfish

Yeah, repeating the same mistakes...

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Raffaele 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 25-Oct-2006 5:50:59
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@ ALL

Samantha could be the very big next thing in Amiga market since AmigaONE and Pegasos.

It could even group together all community!

Think about Samantha running AmigaOS 4.0 AND MorphOS for example....

Samantha could be licensed by Genesi and be sold in USA perhaps (who knows?) as Efika3...

ATI Holding Group (makers of Samantha) will sell Samantha in Europe... and perhaps could licence Genesi products for Europe...

It will be a very big bash if the two companies could start a co-operation.


About the name Samantha.

First name of Samantha comes from Yosemite, an eveluation PPCboard.

So the makers of Sammy they made a joke about Yosemite Sam, a character of Bugs Bunny cartoons...





Then starting as a joke, the developers became talking about "her" as a sort of "daugther" of Yosemite Sam, a girl named "Samantha", and also to keep the tradition with all Amiga names of women (Lorraine, Paula, Agnus, Denise; etc.)

About new name:

I think that a good name could be:

Amiga SAM-400 or Amiga SM400



[EDIT]

Or better Amiga SAM-1000 or Amiga SM1000

To show to all World that Amiga starts again from 1000 with enanched features (where SM could stand sounding for Super Model or Super Millenium or Super Machine for example, and or SAM could stand for Second Amiga Machine, Super Amiga Model, and so on...)

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Posted on 25-Oct-2006 6:17:26
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@Raffaele

or:

Amiga SAM-440 , A-S440 , A440

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Raffaele 
Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 25-Oct-2006 6:31:16
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@Dirk-B

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Dirk-B wrote:
@Raffaele

or:

Amiga SAM-440 , A-S440 , A440


In these minutes I start thinking that 400 or 440 are bad numbers, because they sounds LESSER than 500...

So public could perceive that an Amiga 400 or an Amiga 440 is ancient than A500, or even worst than it.

No good at all!

Better is to use the SAM or SM in the brand name and avoid number less than 1000 or perhaps we could even use 1200.

Amiga SAM1000 it is a good compromise...

Amiga SAM1200 sounds strange, but not bad to my ears...

Amiga 1500 was already used...

Amiga 2000, 3000, and 4000 were too much related to big desktop machines, so Amiga SAM 2000, or SAM 3000 are not too good IMHO.

Also number as SAM 2200 or SAM 3200 sound odd.

They are not sounding "musically".

Amiga 5000 is out of any question. It sounds as the never relased Amiga by Commodore and other firms.

5000 sounds to me of bad lucky.

A name like SAM1000, SM 1000, or SAM 1200, SM 1200 it sounds well...

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Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 25-Oct-2006 6:45:06
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@takemehomegrandma

so you just wanted to point out that at $299 its not available, it doesnt come with os4 (which people are usuing on other systems atm) which is os4's loss, and its doubtful that x86 can be cheaper?

thanks for the info. back on topic now i feel.

btw, thanks for the insult.

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Re: Samantha traveled to France
Posted on 25-Oct-2006 6:47:47
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@Derfs



Ah, well ...

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@Raffaele

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AMIGA PowerPC 440EP , A-PPC-440EP , APPC440

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Re: Samantha traveled to France (updated)
Posted on 25-Oct-2006 7:47:44
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@Herewegoagain

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Well, we also remember that the A1 was suppose to retail for $500 USD or there about.

I read that volume discounts for production of motherboards, etc. don't kick in much until you hit the 10,000-unit level or so. I don't know if this is correct or not -- maybe Tigger or somebody else in the industry can verify -- but people should have realistic expectations.

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