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Mad-Matt 
Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 16:39:11
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DVI Support has been dropped on alot of budget monitors since the introduction of the added DVI Tax :(

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
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DVI Support has been dropped on alot of budget monitors since the introduction of the added DVI Tax

I've seen the more recent NON budget monitors.
24" and up which used to have only DVI, now have VGA.
It used to be exception at that size, not any more.

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
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Which sucks badly, since DVI kicks VGA's back side unless if you use REALLY expensive cables most people cannot afford.

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 17:00:47
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Which sucks badly, since DVI kicks VGA's back side unless if you use REALLY expensive cables most people cannot afford.

Sure. I'm just saying the industry is changing re:price points again.

Something else I heard (no time to research this), maybe you could clarify.
They tell me people are converting DVI to VGA on some cards just to get a 2nd VGA. Is this about those dual page systems or such?

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 17:28:54
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@number6

i have at least two of those adapters myself. vga cards with dvi ports seem to come with them standard. for use in a dual monitor setup.

example .dual head dvi card.

@amigr

i really have not been able to tell a difference between dvi output and vga output myself. thou i must admit i don't have a dvi monitor just an hd tv and am using a dvi-hdmi cable.

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
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I hope we can buy only the highend motherboard without a case/mouse/keyboard. I love my logitech mouse/kbd and my Tunia case. If it comes complete only ill tare it up. Would be paying for something you dont want. But still to early to talk about this. Well see what comes and how.

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
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@AMiGR

Sorry, you're "wrong. DVI kicks ALL the time, because of its principle of the unbroken digital signalway.

No cable in the world can add what you lose changing the signal from digital to analog (GFX Card -> VGA Connector) losing signal strenth on x meter cabeling and then digitizing it in the monitor electronics from analog back to digital.

BTW I don't understand your DVI Tax-talk. There is, at least in Euro-land no DVI TAX. The only incident I can remember was that some time ago TFT-Displays were shifted in an other Goods-Category when importing them into the EU someway (previously entertainment supply, afterwards electronic supply or so) and therefore where overall billed higher "importing txes", but independently of the displayconnector, IMHO.

And the talk about HDMI ... well there is not even a secured signalway inside the OS, or even a legal DVD Player SW as it has to be to use this standard. So this should be first and could still be handled with some Upgrade GFX card, perhapes.

DVI connection of GFX cards btw are sole property of the electronics of the card. No need for a driver diffrent from one for VGA.

Edit: added importing clarification

Last edited by Sneaky on 04-May-2007 at 05:37 PM.

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
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I think the specs are OK for a low-end desktop system running an Amiga type of OS. Good thing to drop the IDE. I think it's interesting that there will be custom case and keyboard; this could help creating an identity for the product and brand, and in order to increase the economy of scale I can understand why no motherboards will be sold without it. Could use a lower price though, but maybe he will be skimming the market for the "enthusiasts" first, and lower the price later on. The price is in no way *too* high for me though. Provide some trustworthy quality assurances and warranty deal and a long term support guarantee (both for hardware and OS), and you can count me in on this!

But of course, seeing is believing. All we've seen this far is talk and broken promises. Bring it out and you will have at least one buyer here!

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herewegoagain 
Re: IRC session with ACK....
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@AMiGR

One of these Diamond cards would be nice in the low end model. That would actually make it a fairly nice low end machine.

Although at the target price of $490.00, I'll be willing to bet it's nothing this high end that they will use.

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 17:56:48
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. I think it's interesting that there will be custom case and keyboard;



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[09:53:38] ###ACKCONTROLS### The case, keyboard, and mouse will be Amiga branded.


I think it will be generic stuff with a boing ball on it. and not really custom. but custom would be cool

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 18:09:38
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I think it will be generic stuff with a boing ball on it. and not really custom. but custom would be cool

Anyway it would be welcome! It is a step into the right direction imho. For who don't want these, you can still resell them (USB things i think).

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 18:23:38
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@ikir

actually I won't buy any next gen system at all.
I tried to tell you, I am sooo not an amigan, but I like it here nonetheless

edit: and I agree with you. anything with a boing ball on it will be cool.

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Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 19:24:42
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Next you'll be wanting a floppy drive...

Are you telling us that there's no floppy controller on this new board! ?

Man, what was ack thinking! ?

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Mad-Matt 
Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 19:33:25
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@Sneaky
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BTW I don't understand your DVI Tax-talk. There is, at least in Euro-land no DVI TAX. The only incident I can remember was that some time ago TFT-Displays were shifted in an other Goods-Category when importing them into the EU someway (previously entertainment supply, afterwards electronic supply or so) and therefore where overall billed higher "importing txes", but independently of the displayconnector, IMHO.


if you dont understand it, then why not look it up ? ;)

A quick google search braught up the following :-
Quote:
Since January 18, the European Commission has added a 14 per cent import duty on large-sized LCD monitors.
The tax affects 19-inch and above monitors which are not manufactured within the European Union, and are designed with expansion slots or ports for video or DVI cards.
Only 19-inch 4:3 monitors and smaller screens are excluded. WitsView argues that the law is already affecting Asian LCD exports to Europe, and will stifle demand for larger monitors with the DVI interface. Screens without the digital video interface or upgrade slots will not be affected.
The company says: “Monitor merchants may choose to set up a factory in the EU to evade this vexing problem, but even though the device is manufactured and assembled in the EU a 5 percent import tax on LCD components is still inevitable as most panels are made in Korea, Taiwan and China.


Seems vga will be around forever with all the drm crap being attached to digital and even new gfx card come a full set of dvi->vga adaptors for each port.

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ironfist 
Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 19:53:35
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Insanity:
"I though that apple only did quads in the Xserve, which was what I was fishing for."

No, they did PowerMacs with Dual 970's up to 2.7 GHz.
When they switched to 970MP they lowered the clock
frequence to 2.5 GHz.

There were indeed Quad PowerMacs. The start price in
Sweden was ~33000 SEK for this machine.

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jorkany 
Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 19:57:42
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There were indeed Quad PowerMacs. The start price in
Sweden was ~33000 SEK for this machine.

That's a lot of SEKs!

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Zardoz 
Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 20:04:01
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@jkirk

Well, on my Dell 2005FPW, DVI makes the image far sharper.

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jorkany 
Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 20:05:07
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@Mad-Matt
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A quick google search braught up the following :-

Thanks for the quote, I can see how that would be very bad for DVI, at least in the EU. I haven't heard of anything similar in the US though.


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Seems vga will be around forever with all the drm crap being attached to digital and even new gfx card come a full set of dvi->vga adaptors for each port.

Definitely, DRM is extremely bad for everyone. Hopefully that will become apparent to "premium content providers" in the long run. In the meantime, DRM punishes the consumer. VGA looks relatively crappy on what is rapidly becoming standard resolutions, but as you say it is likely with us for the forseeable future.

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Zardoz 
Re: IRC session with ACK....
Posted on 4-May-2007 20:05:21
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@herewegoagain

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One of these Diamond cards would be nice in the low end model. That would actually make it a fairly nice low end machine.


Sure, I'm talking about monitors coming with VGA again.

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Reth 
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Posted on 4-May-2007 20:22:34
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Did not read all the comments.

But why on earth did nobody ask ACK for the hardware that was already done but could not be shipped since the manuals are still in printing!

That was months (or even years?) ago!

So he was saying that this particular kind of hardware was done by him and ready to be sold as soon as the manuals are back from print (that was what I was reading about this topic).

This statement in addition to all his other announcements/statements and the non-availibility of any proof that his new hardware really exists makes me wonder why nobody within this IRC session pointed that out and asked the appropriate question!

And before you ask me: I did not even know that this session took place before I read the log.

I still hope that there will be AOS4 HW finally by ACube and even by ACK but regarding all what came from ACK during the last years...

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