@polka.

You don't get it do you. The vast majority of Amigans do not want to play with you guys. To you guys all currnet "AMIGA" stinks, fine, buy a PC use a PC get on with with AMIGA can't do OR you can point us to what YOU OR YOUR MATES have done for the AMIGA scene.

GL

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acefnq wrote: @corto I agree and this is a great example of how pathetic this site can get. Look at the posters on this thread, circling like sharks, same names all the time. Why don't they post something positive? Ever? Absolutely pathetic and childish. So the bloke likes his new MB and hopes it will run OS4 someday (don't we all), be reminded there is nothing to stop MOS or AROS running on the board also, in fact there are incentives to do so. Do we always have to have "show me yours and I'll beat it"??????? The one positive here is that no cross-AmigaOS developer has weighed in, think about it. I wished the these twits would live and let live. ace

Here we are again, different countries different kinds of humor.

I dont't blame wegster for saying what he says, infact IMHO he is pretty right.
Don't take me wrong I would buy a SAM right now but I have other priorities, I _shurely_will_buy one next year just to
support ACube.

But the fact remains that the board is expensive and mostly useless for non-devs. Heck I can buy a fully equipped 2,6GHz
2GB-ram 250GB-Hd 256MB-GraCard PC for less!
And for Jo-the-average-user you can be sure there is much more usability in the latter. In whichever area we look at: games,
surfing the web, programming, office, archiving pictures, video etc.

The PPC might be better and more energy efficent than intels but who cares (we are talking about users not companies right?)
about that out there.

Unfortunately very few.

How many people here would have renounced on xmas lighting to spare some some watts? Can it be really christmas only with all this
festivity illuminations? And think about the size of our amiga-community, in both ways.


So we enjoy the amiga, we enjoy OS4 (at least I do) but its pretty pointless going around and beeing serious in the attempt to
convince someone the PPC and expecially SamEp440 are better than anything else.
you can't be taken serious.

Unfortunately mankind is still driven by economics yet.
Maybe there will be OS4 available for Sam, and maybe ACube can then affort to drop the price a bit but until then I can not advise
anyone to buy it without having a bad conscience, unless I'm sure he's on his right mind and he knows what he wants to do.

@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: @Amigo1 Quote: And if I don't want to..I just push the button and turn it off. Can you do that on your sparc? Can you turn off the computer natively on your x86duolcure? Yes, for x86 - it's called AMITHLON. Or AROS if you prefer

granted! you got me there!
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Quote: oh wegster why don't you shut up! I'm sure that wegster was tempted to say that to meet.mrnrg, but he's too polite - unlike you...

uh?
I was naughty naughty!

edit: quoting

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acefnq wrote: @corto I agree and this is a great example of how pathetic this site can get. Look at the posters on this thread, circling like sharks, same names all the time. Why don't they post something positive? Ever?

LOL! If you can't stand discussion why do you read it.
I prefer this site since you CAN actually have an opinion here.
Besides this discussion isn't even about Amiga so what are you so worked
up about ?

OT:
On the positive side the weather are quite warm for the winter here which
means costs of warming up houses is less, that's positive, it might mean that
save a few bucks and I one beautiful day can buy me a new Amiga when such
comes available.

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@Manu

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@acefnq

That's to generalize to much IMO. Point me to something Amiga has done
for me lately.

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@Amigo1 30 000 lines a day ? Amazing !

I can do better! and if I reboot the system once more, well does that count?

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Manu wrote: @acefnq I prefer this site since you CAN actually have an opinion here. Besides this discussion isn't even about Amiga so what are you so worked up about ?

we share the same thoughts here

edit: smilie!

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@Amigo1

Totally agree. However, when under powered PPC HW comes from BPLan why aren't the same people so vocal??? EFIKA, what a joke unles it was aimed at "Damn Small Linux"?

What a minute community that would be (PPC Linux EFIKA)

ace

@acefnq

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The vast majority of Amigans do not want to play with you guys.

I wonder why you put me in a category "you guys" and what statement of mine you used as a basis to do that?

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To you guys all currnet "AMIGA" stinks, fine

From what of my statements did you draw that conclusion? Care to elaborate? Besides, what has SAM440 to do with all that?

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buy a PC use a PC

Well, I currently use a PC, but this thread wasn't about buying or using PC's. I started it because I wanted to know how many bought a SAM440. So far, two have commented in this thread.

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Exactly. This is why I want Amiga to win, cause it's the under dog.
Its Wins every time for me, cause it's user friendly and well architected. I can do complex things intuitively also.


Look at the price of A4000 or PPC cards they are selling at high prices.
Those buyers could buy 5 or more cheap PCs.

BUT NO NO NO NO, no matter which way you say it.
They want the Amiga, cause it's the Ferrari

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This is why I want Amiga to win, cause it's the under dog.

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They want the Amiga, cause it's the Ferrari

So what you are saying is basically that the Amiga is an "underdog Ferrari". Did I get this right?

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@polka.
Look at your history.

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Betamax lost to VHS, even though Betamax was better

Betamax was only "better" if you didn't actually care about movies.

Betamax was pretty bad for hiring pre-recorded movies, not because the market made it so (what with the evil video stores having shelves of VHS tapes, and barely any Betamax ones), but simply because you needed two tapes to fit a movie. And then people needed to get up in the middle of the movie and change tapes. And unless they wanted to change tapes again later, they really needed to rewind the first tape before putting in the second one. Which is a pretty lousy thing to do to a movie, which the viewer is supposed to be drawn into and lose themselves in.

And Betamax was even worse for the *real* job of a VCR --- the 'R' stands for "Recorder". Yeah, anything you recorded looked better than anything you recorded on VHS --- up to the point where you hit the 60 minute mark, and the Betamax tape ran out halfway through the movie, while the VHS tape kept going. Oops!

Betamax VCRs were a perfect example of a product designed by engineers, with no regard to market realities. They deserved to die, because the product was stupid.


In that respect, it's a lot like the current PPC boards, actually. They might consume less power while not doing the job --- but the "not doing the job" part is a serious issue...

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So what you are saying is basically that the Amiga is an "underdog Ferrari". Did I get this right?

AmigaOS *still* runs smoother than Windows XP/Vista, even on a far less powerful CPU. To a lot of people that FEELS faster, even if it isn't really. Certainly unexpected Windows pauses/lag drives some people (inc me) barmy, although I've had to learn to live with it (and it's less of a problem on a dual-core 2GHz CPU with 2GB of RAM, with XP anyway).

edit: Added quote to make it clear which post I was replying to.

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@acefnq & ChrisH

To which comment of mine are you replying? I never discussed anything "Amiga vs. PC" in this thread. I thought this thread was about SAM440.

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(You're doing your black & white thing again - picking on one small point and trying to disprove everything based on that. I have to wonder if you are using ridiculous debating tactics to just generate arguments, and that you don't really believe what you say... Or at least aren't interested in a *discussion*, and only wish to "crush" people's arguments.)

Betamax was just one (well known but perhaps inaccurate) example - there are lots of others if I was bothered to think of them. The fact remains that "cheap & good enough" usually wins over "best but expensive" - as does "first to market" (X-box vs PS3).

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And then people needed to get up in the middle of the movie and change tapes. ... Which is a pretty lousy thing to do to a movie,

Try telling that to people who make/made double-sided or double-disk DVD movies. (Although even layer changes in DVD movies are universally badly placed, and annoy me)

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Hey meet.mrnrg,

I'm sorry you had to get sucked into a thread founded and primarilly
populated by trolls.

On paper, an emotional connection, faith and enjoyment of AmigaOS will
never satisfy the trolls' arguments of cost per MhZ, how much new
(wonderful!) software is available for windoze or how fast an Amiga 3.x
emulator runs.

Just walk away from this cesspool thread, it's only a waste of your energy.

PJS

@acefnq

@polka.
Look at your history.

You mean the 1 AR polka got versus the 3 you've got ?

Anyway, all of you, get back on topic. Who bought a Sam440

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I have to correct myself after scanning the thread. Three AW-users bought a SAM440: meet.mrnrg, Flystone an Ikir. Anybody else?

Are there any success stories from industrial clients so far? Are the units currently sold by ACube the result of a "real" production run, or are they currently selling the units of a first "test-run"?

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@ChrisH Exactly. This is why I want Amiga to win, cause it's the under dog. Its Wins every time for me, cause it's user friendly and well architected. I can do complex things intuitively also.

I think you missed my point (which maybe was not clearly stated) :

Amiga can't "win" any longer in an open market against every other solution, it's too costly & obsolete technology, however elegant. You trying to prove Amiga is "better" than x86/etc is misguided, doomed to failure/unhappiness - and IMHO quite unnecessary.

IMHO you should choose your arguments based on what Amiga *still* is - and on what you actually like Amiga for:
1.Which is an old/retro elegant technology that shows how things *could* have been (and which still manages to be usable as an everyday computer).
2.Which is a retro technology that people like for nostalgia.
3.Which is a retro technology that maybe can still find some *niche* commercial uses (i.e. some *few* places where it still manages to beat the competition, probably in the embedded space, despite lack of development).

Amiga is no-longer "better" in the general sense, so it can't "win", but it is still "good" in certain ways, and it does not NEED to "win"

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