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wegster 
Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 18-Apr-2008 17:05:50
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@Crumb

*shrug* By the same token, MSN is the only IM protocol that used to:
- required a hotmail address, which was guarantee of spam coming your way
- didn't used to allow you to disable showing your email address
- allowed popups to be sent to your system with little control over when MSN IM was running.

I have zero interesting in MSN, and am amazed so many people must be blindly using the crap MS gave then with Windows, if they're using it.

Jahc also , afaik, hasn't said anything about porting it elsewhere - maybe you'd best let Jahc respond, if he feels like it?

However, neither Epistula nor jahcs new program provides Yahoo IM, so neither one is of immediate interest, to me. The name of Jahc's new program suggests it's highly unlikely he'll ever add any other protocols...but it looks nice for something he threw together in a day or two, and others may find it useful.

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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 18-Apr-2008 17:54:59
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@Crumb
Woah, are people replying to me these days with the sole intention of antagonising me or what?

It was a simple question, jahc wasn't offended by it, nothing was implied as to whether he should or he shouldn't write his own client so why come across like he was? And who rattled your cage anyway?

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Maybe he wants full control over the sourcecode and doesn't like to depend on someone else's work.

Nothing wrong with that.

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And since it seems you didn't write Epistula in a portable way at least we'll have a client in the future for OS3/MOS and not just the OSes *you* decide.

I didn't know you had access to my source code to be able to make such an assumption, how very sneaky of you.

You have insider knowledge of SabreMSN's future plans too... you must email me this weeks lottery numbers as you seem to be able to see a lot of what other's can't or don't!

Yes, you're correct, I write my software for the OS I choose... you have a problem with that?

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"ey! why a multi-protocol messenger application? a GUI for PidGin would be much better

Because there are no multi-protocol messenger apps for AmigaOS? Just a thought... PidGin didn't exist when I wrote Epistula and even if it did... it's hardly an AmigaOS native application is it? You've got to have the huge ugly overhead of X11 installed.

Now, as not to hijack jahc's thread (for which I apologise already) please PM me if you wish to discuss this further.

@jahc
Keep up the good work, indeed the MSN protocol is horrible, and if you need any help or to ask questions just email me and I'll see if I can help.

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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 18-Apr-2008 17:58:31
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@Jahc

Ok, no more crash for me but I get disconnected right after it has connected.


Edit: Ok, must comes from another problem since Epistula cannot connect either.

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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 18-Apr-2008 23:07:19
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@Crumb

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SabreMSN is just for MSN networks

I'm hoping to make the best MSN client for Amiga by specialising in this protocol only.

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Maybe he wants full control over the sourcecode and doesn't like to depend on someone else's work.

I'm doing this project mostly for fun. Maybe 60% fun, 40% to make a nice client.

I will port it to the other Amiga systems when its out of alpha. (Probably!)

@Slash

Thanks for the support. I'll probably try and do as much as I can by myself though. But I'll bug you if I run into any major hurdles.

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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 19-Apr-2008 10:36:55
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@jahc

I will port it to the other Amiga systems when its out of alpha. (Probably!)


Thanks in advance for that

we have no chance on AOS3.x that amigg don't support MSM client

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@Mrodfr

There is AmiMSN for AOS3x.
There is also the option to use Jabber or Bitlbee on IRC.

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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 19-Apr-2008 12:02:25
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@Crumb

Why can't a developer decide himself which OS to support?

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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 19-Apr-2008 13:26:17
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MichaelMerkel wrote:
another msn client? what's wrong with epistula?
isn't it supporting msn well enough?
i just want to ask...

byebye...


many reasons to why we need a new one, here is a few things.

1. Epistula has proven to be very unstable on most machines for strange reasons.

2. Development time on epistula has past 4 years or so now and Slash has been busy with many other things and ofcourse he even had a hw break down which cauzed such long delays.

3. File support, if you had been using primary Amiga then you would know which things ain't supported good enough on our Amiga's. (Jabber, Bitlebee and Epistula).

4. don't get me wrong, Epistula could have been great but it stagnated.

5. i read many forums daily and i see many mailing lists who others don't see and one of the things people want is a Proper MSN client on the Amiga and thats why i asked if Jahc would look into dooing one, i feel that was the right direction since i don't know many who can put their hand on chest and say that epistula has been stable enough to be able to rely on it for more than a couple of hours at a time.
Bitlebee is stable (never seen it crash to be honest) but that one is not optimal for users who don't even want to use IRC and so on.


I think Jahc can give us what we need although i am not an MSN user in the way of who needs it daily but i would like to be able to actually give out my msn id to people so they could reach me.

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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 19-Apr-2008 13:40:26
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@Toaks

I think points 1 & 4 are quite unfair. I haven't had a bug report or any help from anyone regarding crashes or being unstable since I released the latest version just after New Year.

It works for me for days on end, and if no one is willing to help me track down problems at their end then what am I supposed to do exactly? The short answer is nothing, people seem to go off and ask other's to start reinventing the wheel.

If it was a problem with the MSN plugin, I had provided the source code to that, and the AIM plugin, aswell as an SDK for the plugin API and what happened? Nothing.

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Epistula could have been great but it stagnated.

I can assure you that Epistula is not stagnated at all, I've been working full time on it every day for the past week, fixing minor bugs, adding new features and starting work on a Yahoo! plugin.

Just because you don't see anything, or I'm quiet for a while is no reason to write the project off. If I had a bit more help in tracking bugs down then things would be in a much better state... but fine, stick to your own agenda and we'll soon see if Epistula turns out to be great or not.

Signing off...

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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 19-Apr-2008 15:14:44
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@jahc

one word
filetransfare

pidgin has it but it is ####ing slow

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Kicko 
Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 19-Apr-2008 15:45:57
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@Slash

Noone told you to write the project off. SabreMSN is a msn program only while yours is multiclient which is a good thing. I like Multiclients as i use icq and msn. True is Epistula is taking long time and there was unstable for a long time. Havent used Epistula for a long time now as wookie + bitlbee has always been stable as a rock for me.

Last Epistula worked more stable then before. Before that i couldnt even use it. However i had crashes using msn and icq. The thing i need most is filedirect for msn. For icq too but not as important as msn and that users often wants to send me files.

When i saw SabreMSN i was happy as i know Jahc will do his things fast. I know also you (slash) has less time and was busy with private life. Totally respect for that. Many other soft i use or used like jabberwocky and aweb etc is also taking along time so we go on using other software that is updated with new features and that works robust. These coders also have not free time for coding as they have a private life with wife, kids etc.

Toaks showed just how he is seeing all this, reading all info from other posts etc. He was not saying Epistula is bad or so.

I have also been telling Jahc to make some sort of msn as i need filetransfer and i often see him and get often updates. Im getting older :) And i hate when people tell me to buy a pc hehe

Keep up the good work. Dont stop Slash :) You know how much i wrote to you that i like your work, bugs etc :)

Its better to have more programs on amiga then less. I feel also with jahc as he wants to have total control over his program. He does the gui, msn etc. If something is buggy he can fix it fast. For him to update msn plugin for epistula wouldnt be easy. Lets say the gui is buggy or the main core. Then he have to wait until you fix that. This way he can work 101% :)
And you work on your program in meantime.

Im a multiclien person:)


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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 19-Apr-2008 16:01:30
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@Slash

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@Toaks

I think points 1 & 4 are quite unfair. I haven't had a bug report or any help from anyone regarding crashes or being unstable since I released the latest version just after New Year.

If it was a problem with the MSN plugin, I had provided the source code to that, and the AIM plugin, aswell as an SDK for the plugin API and what happened? Nothing.

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Epistula could have been great but it stagnated.

I can assure you that Epistula is not stagnated at all, I've been working full time on it every day for the past week, fixing minor bugs, adding new features and starting work on a Yahoo! plugin.

Just because you don't see anything, or I'm quiet for a while is no reason to write the project off. If I had a bit more help in tracking bugs down then things would be in a much better state... but fine, stick to your own agenda and we'll soon see if Epistula turns out to be great or not.

Signing off...


let me start off like this, what ? there was an update right after new years? , not a single one i know of knew that.

What does the update do? , keep in mind that i was always about the MSN plugin and the Epistula client itself not, if one of them didnt do what i wanted then it was not of use to me.

releasing sources to the community is great and all but as always it has shown that not much gets done anyway although that might change in the future.

And we suggested that jahc worked on your plugin (msn) but he said he couldnt understand other people's sources at all and that was why.

As to bug reports, as for myself conserned, i thought you knew that i havent been around for a year or even more now (if i wrote a message it was just because i had like 5 minutes).

I have tried to help your project as much as i could over the time and yes i must admit , i lost faith in it ages ago due to you ran into so many problems over the period that i would have tought that you had given up 2 years or more ago.

Good to hear that its not stagnated, i hope all the users out there who needs an IM gets what they want with your package, but, as of now i will focus on Jahc's approach and when i see epistula updates i will follow them again.

I am quite miffed to see you write like this about me and my humble opinions, yes i may have seemed rough but i never intended to upset you nor discriminate your project.

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Posted on 19-Apr-2008 16:28:03
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@Slash

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I can assure you that Epistula is not stagnated at all, I've been working full time on it every day for the past week, fixing minor bugs, adding new features and starting work on a Yahoo! plugin.



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Posted on 19-Apr-2008 16:41:30
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@Crumb
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And since it seems you didn't write Epistula in a portable way at least we'll have a client in the future for OS3/MOS and not just the OSes *you* decide.

As a developer I write for whatever OS I want to. How I write the application is none of your business either. If you don't like it that is *your* problem.

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Re: SabreMSN, new MSN client
Posted on 19-Apr-2008 16:42:34
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@Toaks/Kicko

Hold on, let me put a few things straight:

1. I never said I was writing the project off... I merely commented that it was obvious certain people 'thought' it was written off.

2. I'm in no way miffed that Jahc has started his own client, see previous posts, I hope he does well with it, which I'm sure he will.

Nothing was directed at either of you personally, I just felt a bit annoyed by the fact that instead of receiving reports and help to try and get Epistula up and running in a stable condition, it was assumed to be stagnated and a new solution was proposed for an MSN client.

Again, it's not the fact SabreMSN has been created, but the fact that it was assumed Epistula is so bug ridden and unstable that someone else has to be asked to create an MSN project from scratch because of those very reasons.

I won't be stopping anything, I'll stop when it is no longer fun to write applications on the AmigaOS, until then you're stuck with my buggy software

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Posted on 19-Apr-2008 16:53:57
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@Slash

Good to hear Slash :)

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Posted on 19-Apr-2008 21:34:15
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@Toaks

Hey man. Give us a break. We do not have the time to read your flaming to someone in a topic that it is not created for that. You are totally out of topic.

I'm using Epistula daily and works just fine. I'm also very happy to see the SabreMSN coming out. That means that you have a choice. So choose your best use application and shut up. Slash is doing a very good job, when he can and when he has the time. You should be happy that there are a few developers still there. If you don't like it then go somewhere else and cry. Do not ruin this topic.

@Slash

That's great that you are still working on Epistula. I look forward to see the next version

@jahc

Keep up the good work... The SabreMSN looks promising.

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@Slash

BTW: Any ETA for the reconstructed website? I wanted to give the latest Epistula a try and have a look at the plugin stuff as you mentioned it, but still 404 on your site..

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Why can't a developer decide himself which OS to support?


I have no problem with that.

But then I'll ask you a question following your logic... why a developer has to be forced to write plug-ins for other developer?

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@Slash

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I didn't know you had access to my source code to be able to make such an assumption, how very sneaky of you.


Your memory is fragile or you write lies, you claimed you used OS4 functions not available for OS3/OS4 and that was the reason you didn't plan to release versions for other OSes.

No problem about what you choose, but very funny to claim you won't release something for OS3 because you use OS4 functions and later forget it and tell me it's very portable

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You have insider knowledge of SabreMSN's future plans too... you must email me this weeks lottery numbers as you seem to be able to see a lot of what other's can't or don't!


You'd better take some pills for you don't remember what you said.

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Yes, you're correct, I write my software for the OS I choose... you have a problem with that?


I have no problem with that. But I find interesting that you want to force the rest of people to write software for the OS you choose.

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Just a thought... PidGin didn't exist when I wrote Epistula and even if it did...


Of course it existed... it was called "Gaim".

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it's hardly an AmigaOS native application is it?


Blender is not AmigaOS native, but it's not bad IMHO.

OWB is not 100% native but os4 users seem to be happy with it.

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You've got to have the huge ugly overhead of X11 installed.


You don't need x11, Gaim/Pidgin is GUI independent and could use MUI/Reaction. A text mode version exists.

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