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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement!
Posted on 17-Oct-2009 22:23:36
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Jaime posted here defending Amiga, Inc. and saying the settlement delays were Hyperion's doing from his view. I think that was back in July or so.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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@fairlanefastback

This was quite surprise.

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Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x


It seems that AmigaOS 3.1 (and below) is still owned by Amiga Inc. (or whatever company, KMOS, Amino, you name it), but not Hyperion Entertainment?



Since it sounds like they did not even have the sources for that it would seem to hardly matter in real world terms IMHO.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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That is indeed a bit strange. I think it's about time they'll release the kickstart rom(images) for free though. Can't be much value in them anymore especially not 1.3.

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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement!
Posted on 17-Oct-2009 22:29:22
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But there is no update at AI's website yet.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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Hyperion and Amiga, Inc. both had access to the 3.1 sources, AFAIK. Its only 3.5 and 3.9 that they didn't have access to (haage and partner wouldn't let them have it). Certainly Hyperion have the 3.1 sources, they were used in the development of 4.x.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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3.1 is what's important to Hyperion, they can keep 1.3 just fine

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Re: Hyperion and Amiga Inc. reach settlement!
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So "Amiga OS" has been saved now, I hope somehow the name "Amiga" gets saved too. That's indeed great news.

May Amiga INC rot in hell asap.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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Well i think about people who wants to play old Amiga games in emulators. Non-nerds :)

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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Finally ! Not one day too soon.
I'm happy for you OS4 users!
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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I think it's about time they'll release the kickstart rom(images) for free though. Can't be much value in them anymore especially not 1.3.

I suspect cloanto would disagree with that. What do you AmigaForever runs on? Emulator yes, but you need the legal set of ROMS that come with it.

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@fairlanefastback

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Since it sounds like they did not even have the sources for that it would seem to hardly matter in real world terms IMHO.


It does matter because Cloanto has licensed Kickstart ROMs from AI. It also matters if someone starts making OS3 updates (the agreement does not seem to exclude this albeit seeing OS3 updates is unlikely) and the sources are available via various Amiga developers if needed (i.e. just ask ex-H&P developers).

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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By the way does cloanto has indefinite license to those kick roms, or is there an expiration date for that deal?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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@itix

I think it's perfectly clear from this text that "Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1". If they are granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1, it means that nobody else has the rights to it. The part which follows is the reason why they are granted this right, e.g. "in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x", since AmigaOS 4.x contains parts of AmigaOS 3.1.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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If they are granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1, it means that nobody else has the rights to it.


Indeed, which brings me to Cloanto's position: they're releasing 3.1 with Amiga forever, what will happen now

Last edited by DAX on 17-Oct-2009 at 10:49 PM.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
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@broadblues

Yeah i forgot about AmigaForever. But still atleast Amiga Inc could release 1.3 roms for free (Af contains all romimages).

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I think it's perfectly clear from this text that "Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1". If they are granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1, it means that nobody else has the rights to it. The part which follows is the reason why they are granted this right, e.g. "in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x", since AmigaOS 4.x contains parts of AmigaOS 3.1.


I dont think so. Because there is "in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS ...)" but there is no "in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 3.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS ...)".

There seem to be 3.x/4.x barrier. It would make sense due to other difficulties (i.e. Cloanto).

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
Posted on 17-Oct-2009 23:07:31
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Ok so Cloanto should keep the right for emu purposes (unless there is an expiration date) and Hyperion has exclusive rights to use them for further AmigaOS developments (including 5.0), good enough...

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Congratulations from OSNews to the entire Amiga community!

OSNews article

Cheers everyone!

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
Posted on 17-Oct-2009 23:13:24
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By the way does cloanto has indefinite license to those kick roms, or is there an expiration date for that deal?


I have no idea. But Cloanto is probably secured because I dont think Hyperion would want to p*ss them off. I guess official speakers will explain it soon.

Edit: fixed language.

Last edited by itix on 17-Oct-2009 at 11:21 PM.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
Posted on 17-Oct-2009 23:14:30
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I'm not a lawyer, so only speculating ...

Cloanto's Amiga Forever serves an entirely different market than OS4.x

Since Cloanto had legal access to the 3.1 ROMs and Workbench 3.1 before, I would imagine that this will continue. As far as I know, they did not make any changes to the ROM files or Workbench 3.1 itself.

If the settlement affects Amiga Forever it will also affect every other Amiga emulator out there, including E-UAE and the AmigaOS4PPC version of E-UAE.

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Edit --- I'm a bit late into the Cloanto discussion.

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