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Re: OS4 roadmap (from AmiWest & Pianeta Amiga)
Posted on 23-Oct-2009 15:34:11
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@Rob

What motherboard is that rob. Where can I find more info on it.

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@g01df1sh

It's a Freescale MPC8572 evaluation board. Type in MPC8572DS in the search bar on Freescale's site and you should be able to find the user guide.

The MPC8752E has dual e500 cores with 1MB shared level 2 cache, 8 PCI-e lanes. Gigabit ethernet and a few other features. Speeds range from 1.2 - 1.5Ghz.

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Hi all!

I have a question, which is the smallest PPC CPU to have more then 1 core?

Could this announcement hint towards a YDL PowerStation version of AOS4?




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Indeed. Any board with these CPU`s would be suitable.
Stop complaining about the ARM CPU`s, I am sure that they
can`t reach that easily these hights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(microprocessor)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_microprocessor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWRficient
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_CPU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_G5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER5

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@Madlax72

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I have a question, which is the smallest PPC CPU to have more then 1 core?


The lowest spec you'd want to go is the MPC8572E I mentioned above.

Quote:
Could this announcement hint towards a YDL PowerStation version of AOS4?


I don't think so for 3 reasons.

1. Last November Evert Carton told me in person that there are alternatives to the YDL powerstation.

2. TheKorn (is that Andrew Korn?) posted the following on Morphzone.

Quote:
agree. This would be a great machine to have MorphOs or AmigaOS running on. I contacted them about it. They said they have been in contact with Hyperion but they chose not to procede.


3. What Matt Sealy posted on Power Developer.

Quote:
You realise that'd be a $1500 motherboard, right? The Pegasos G5 was canceled because it was unaffordable. There is a good reason that those Apple systems cost $3000. Fixstars are probably selling the PowerStation box at a significant loss (we know because we designed the motherboard). This is just the reality of the 970 pricing and the incredibly complex board design required to support it (many weird chips, braindead design decisions by the Northbridge and CPU designers..).


Quote:
The CPU is fine.. just too expensive. The Northbridge is oddly packaged and needs to be placed on the underside of the motherboard to reduce the complicated pin routing. It needs a HT bridge and a HT southbridge (expensive option, and there are only a couple on the market). All in all, it is just a very costly design obviously not meant for anything but servers where service fees make up profits and not hardware.


I doubt Fixstars want to support a market that doesn't support them so OS4.x would probably have to be sold bundled with the board at full price. That would put Hyperion in a difficult position because people here wouldn't accept that it costs us $1000+ more than Fixstars because they sell it at a loss and make the money back in services, which they can't do with the Amiga market.

So Hyperion are better off looking at alternative like the various e500 and e600 cores that have northbridge functions built into the CPU and use a common ULI1575 southbridge. Question is who is going to bring this kind hardware to the Amiga Market.

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@vox

Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(microprocessor)


Doesn't exist yet.

Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_microprocessor


Probably too expensive.

Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWRficient


Apple closed that door when bought PA Semi.

Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_CPU


Probably not available to companies not called Microsoft.

Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_G5


Too expensive and not very efficient.

Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER5


Too expensive.

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Titan: Doesn't exist yet.


Wrong, AMCC started delivery of evaluation boards as we speak, it was all over the (PPC interested) news last week.

Link (one of the many): http://www.ppcnux.com/?q=node/7533

Some Italian manufacturer might have already received a sample

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From: Somewhere in the Dutch mountains....

I was thinking, I do that a lot these days.....

Why on earth do people keep naming there programs/applications (arent these the same thing ??) in such a way that it sounds cool, but nobody without knowledge of that app, can actually guess what it does by it's name ?

Example: Ringhio ???? Well it was explained wat it is and does, but for gods sake call it something like Notifier or something.
Another one: Epistula, Samba, Ignition, ASL and so on....

On RiscOS I once saw names like: Draw, Paint, Edit, Write etc...

Childisch ? Perhaps, but the keypoint here is that we all know what they mean, but if new users would use an Amiga they would search their asses of for a program to connect their Amiga to a PC fro example because it's name is to cryptic....

I could come up with more examples, but it is getting late.

Anyone get my point ?

Martin

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@DAX and all

I like the fact that AmigaOS 4.1.1 will allow its' files to be updated just like it happen in Windows with Windows Update. AmigaOS 4.1.1 will do that with AmiUpdate, which i understand is now a standard part of this new AmigaOS 4.1.1..

This is getting better and better! No reason to stay away from Amiga now, hehe!

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@HKvalhe

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I like the fact that AmigaOS 4.1.1 will allow its' files to be updated just like it happen in Windows with Windows Update.


If you actually watch the demonstration video, you will see the "automatic update" referred to in this context is the refreshing of Workbench windows when files change, nothing to do with updating versions of files.

Quote:

AmigaOS 4.1.1 will do that with AmiUpdate, which i understand is now a standard part of this new AmigaOS 4.1.1..


Just where do you get this from? There has been absolutely no mention of including AmiUpdate as a contribution to AmigaOS, 4.1.1 or any other.

With all of your false evangelising, people will start expecting features that simply were never intended as part of the distribution. Please verify facts before jumping to conclusions that are false, thank you.

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@Metalheart

Yeh.. point taken... now of to start browser1 or maybe browser2... na browser3 is much better

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@rigo
Maybe he got it wrong from the video, the audio was awful and English is not the mother language of many here.

He certainly meant good even if he got it wrong, no need to be too harsh...

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@all
I have greatly updated the first post in this thread, based upon the latest video + feedback. Have a read!

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@ChrisH
Nice!

For people that might check AW after a while it would be also good if in the "related news" section you add the future RadeonHD drivers that Hans is working on (with a link at HDR lab website) I believe it is a major development people would like to know about!

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@ChrisH
Pretty strange that "Default" look of windowses are still primitive/simply. Imho default must be modern one, and who will want, will bring on the "Simply" one by prefs.

Also what strange for me, it's that "new shell" stuff will be not in upcoming update ? If i understand right it will be not for 4.1.1 , but for 4.2 ?

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@Metalheart

I agree, that naming might be ok for us Amiga geeks but for someone who
never used AmigaOS that will just be confusing.

And don't like that Ami#? naming either.

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@kas1e Quote:
Also what strange for me, it's that "new shell" stuff will be not in upcoming update ? If i understand right it will be not for 4.1.1 , but for 4.2 ?

I do not say that it will be present in 4.1.1, please re-read the post :)

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@all
I was somewhat dismayed to discover that an OS News item was made using an early version of my post (without my knowledge). I am now assured that the item will be updated to reflect the corrections I recently made.

Last edited by ChrisH on 24-Oct-2009 at 12:50 PM.

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@ChrisH

This is one of the reasons roadmaps in "communities" of this size are not published, everything is subject to change. While I appreciate your efforts on trying to gaher information, you can already see the confusion it is causing.

Couple this with certain other individuals that are spreading the "news" and plainly getting it wrong, and we can already see that the whole affair is in quite a state already.

An official announcement will be made when the time is right, and everything is committed, before then doesn't help.

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@rigo
I'm afraid that I don't agree: If Hyperion chooses to release information publically, then the best thing we can do IS to consolidate it in one place, where it can be corrected & updated. The alternative is for everyone to have their own (incomplete & somewhat incorrect) view of OS4's future, and then have the forums full of wars over misunderstandings. Plus if only a few people know of it (as confirmed by many replies here), then Hyperion don't get the result they were looking for by releasing it.

IMHO, the actual problem here is two fold:

1. Someone chose to make a news item out of an informal forum post by someone not affiliated with the company without either (1) checking the primary sources (EDIT: this is apparently incorrect), or (2) consulting the original author about whether he thought it was appropriate to base a news item on it.

2. If Hyperion is releasing information that it is not sure of, and it doesn't like the consequences, then it really shouldn't be releasing it. I know *why* they released it (OS4 users needed some positive news), but then they have to accept the good results with the bad. Certainly I have been surprised by how much info has been released already, but I assumed they were happy for it to be public...

BTW, if I didn't compile it all together, then you can be damn sure someone else would have eventually. As they say "information wants to be free", so once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't put it back in...

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