@Alkaron

Yes I saw that, but which of them have trade marked the term?

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@webmaster
I would like to report that the paging doesn't display at the bottom after a post.

I have never posted so much so understandably not having it there is disorienting, and makes refreshes almost pointless if you're already at the bottom of the page, because you don't know that another page has started.

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@ddni

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4009:h04lfc.3.1

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@BigBentheAussie

Yes it's obvious :) And i can't wait to hear what they got planned OS and software wise

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@BigBentheAussie

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Isn't it obvious that the MAP is SMP?

No I don't think so. I'm sure a read somewhere Rogue saying SMP was ambitious but not the MAP.

@BigD

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BigD wrote: @marko Quote: This is very exciting hardware and a very bold move by Hyperion. This kind of hardware, that is different and may become a real new Amiga, I was hoping for and not just some regular PC mobo. But I did not believe anyone had the balls to do it, until now, hurray Hyperion! Since when was Hyperion a hardware company? Have I missed something? Who is their hardware partner?

I meant, they and their partners as well

EDIT: clarified

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ops, sorry, dbl post

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@TheDaddy

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TheDaddy wrote: @DrZarkov >> Someone made me think of Nemo as a machine capable of doing Avatar stuff...or can you still do that with X1000? Yes, you can! Real-time? Can you do ray tracing on the fly without having to wait months for the images to be rendered?

Caro Daddy,

Dear Daddy...

Let's think of an hypotetic use of this brand new AX1000.

It features XCore with Xorro connector...

THis feature allows XCore to input and output data, or making it bidirectionally, or even it allows two AX1000 to be tied together and act as a single machine and in the meantime continuing at receiving stream video data by just dedicating it some I/O lines of communication...

You can use first AX1000 (name it X1000 "A" to input data with XCORE "A" on its own motherboard... Then boioth CPUs on machine X1000 "A" and machine X1000 "B" could perform in real time rendering using 4 cores and sending rendered data it fo 2 different graphic cards to output actual frame, and next frame...

Or maybe you can choose to selecting graphic output on PCIe 16X Graphic Card nr.1 sitting on first AX1000 and mixing in real time its 3D rendered output with direct live video output by PCIe 16X Graphic Card nr.2 sitting on second AX1000.

Imagination is your limit with Amiga!

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@BigBentheAussie

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However, the XMOS chips only seem useful in the absence of having a strong CPU hanging around. As in hobby projects and the like. I don't understand at this point what the benefit is and I am really trying to.

Getting realtime guarantees from a general purpose OS places lots of limitations on the OS (in terms of scheduling etc.) that also has its downsides.

And the XCore has user controllable IO lines. The benefit is in having a hard realtime threaded platform that is event-driven and lets you very simply write timing sensitive code without burdening your main system with lots of interrupts etc..

As an example, the XMOS site has things like an ethernet controller + TCP/IP stack that mostly runs on a core (seen those expensive custom TCP/IP offload cards?). As well as a SID implementation I've mentioned previously.

We've seen previously the benefits of co-processors on the Amiga - the Amiga outlasted PC hardware with far more powerful CPU's because of custom chips that offloaded the CPU. And while those tasks often seemed like they'd be "light", it adds up. My SCSI controller for my A2000 had a Z80 CPU on it. Remember the uproar when the A4000 was launched with "just" IDE? We were used to the performance, but not least the *low system impact* SCSI had by not burdening our relatively underpowered CPU's.

I think we'll see a lot of interesting use for the XCore, and I think we'll see uses where the processing it can be used to offload has a disproportionately large impact on overall system performance because of the nature of the things you'd run on the thing (i.e. IO/ interrupt heavy tasks)

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@Folks questioning use of the "lower end" XCore stuff:

Surely the point of the onboard XCore is really to act as I/O and arbitrator to all those lovely expansion cards?

However, instead of lots of different Zorro cords, we just plug in new XCores - the more the merrier?

The main XCore dev kit costs $999, so for a bit more, you get a powerful amiga/linux box as well.

Possible schedule as follows?
-release X1000 with Linux and AmigaOS 4.x running on 1 core with a simple API to an XCore.library.

-update AmigaOS to run on both cores, most of OS3.x stuff deprecated or run under emulation (time to move on folks...) + a more complete XCore.library

-expansion board containing half a dozen XCore G4 chips

-update AmigaOS to take full advantage of xcore, release of X500 with lower end cpu

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@Radfoo

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Radfoo wrote: Sounds like a nice powerful mobo/CPU, but is this actually the MAP itself? Other than XMOS chip I don't see anything different to the other hardware supported by OS4.

well, this means that Amiga has to deal with common peripherals, just as usual and that Amiga needs just 2 things:

1) drivers for PCi-E Graphic cards

2) some libraries to get access to full usage of XENA

The remaining part of AmigaOS requires no other modifications, except the long awaited SMP capabilities.

But SMP is a totally separated part of development than keeping AmigaOS dealing with co-processors and peripeherals as usual.

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ops, sorry, triple post

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@marko

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Meant, and their partners

Triple post!?#!

Plus, who the hell are 'Meant'?

Some hardware company I'm not aware of?

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@BigBentheAussie

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sn't it obvious that the MAP is SMP?

Huh, that is just one part of the "Most Ambitious Project"

-Setting up and executing a market plan inorder to
try to regain the Amiga market place from the ground up,
-Setting up a new hardware company,
-Teaming up with different hardware vendors,
-Designing and creating a new state of the art AmigaOne X1000,
-Introducing a new way for thirdparty vendors to interact with a motherboard...
-Evolving AmigaOS to fill all the needs of the potential customers.
-Including SMP and other OS parts, and 3rdparty software such as browser and other.

That, is an ambitous project.

Don't get me wrong, intriducing SMP for AmigaOS is big,
but it is one among many bricks in a greater plan.

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@Alkaron

Hi thanks for that.
It talks about POWER ARCHITECTURE (note capitalisation) as belonging to IBM.

This document, talks about Power Architecture as belonging to power.org
http://www.power.org/brand_center/home/PowerArch_PPC_v1.pdf

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@Hondo
Well "AmigaOne X1000" instead of "Amiga 1000" isn't exactly "Mumbo jumbo". Seems quite an Amiga name to me...

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@BigD

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Triple post!?#!

I think the site was down for a moment, I had to repost.

Quote:

Plus, who the hell are 'Meant'?

meant = I meant = I was referring to their partners, as well.

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@DAX

It sounds fine but I don't know why use the 'One' part of it - Amiga X1000 would have been better.

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That has to do with licensing issues and Amiga owning the name Amiga and not being a part of this new computersystem.

AmigaOne is close enough for me