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pavlor 
Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 10:56:00
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Has anyone seen this


What do you think was discussed in last 3 pages?

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Re: Amiga.com down?
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What do you think was discussed in last 3 pages?




Umm... It makes me wonder...............

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Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 11:21:51
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So what, why don't say the same thing about the others? They failed to deliver.. but not a word... why?


What others! No one else owned the IP during the last 10 years! Amiga Inc have more reponsibility than most because they could do whatever they wanted with the Amiga brand and chose a SNOWMAN MAKER !! In the previous decade (the 90s), Phase 5 invested everything into giving the Amiga a future on the PowerPC platform (ultimately bankrupting themselves)! DCE consistently developed great products in the past as did H&P on the software side! Amiga Technologies did the best they could with limited funding from Escom. However, Amiga Inc had the responsibility to take leadership during the last decade and steady the boat following Phase 5's bankruptcy and DCE leaving the market, but THEY FAILED TO DO THAT!!

If you are referring to Troika, ACK etc. They are vapourware companies and do not deserve further discussion.

ACube, AmigaKit and before them Eyetech are/were reliable companies who get on with making money without the responsibility of leading the platform forward (although Eyetech took it on themselves with the AmigaOne project). That responsibility has now fallen to Hyperion by default (and an expensive court case). Like a parent that has walked out on its offspring, Amiga Inc has abandoned the computer brand that it bought!!!!

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Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 11:29:05
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@pavlor

I don't know, obviously lol...

I skipped to the end. Oh well, I'll just blame it on having very little sleep in the last 48 hrs

Steve

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Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 11:33:29
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[edit - I am now a cult member. Woohoo!]


Congratulations!

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Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 11:40:46
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@Dandy

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Who knows - perhaps Ben Herrmanns/Hyperion are already in negotiations with Gateway?



You don´t need Gateway to take Amiga website and rest of IP.
...



I wasn't really talking about the website.
I was more aiming at the ownership of the rights to the name "Amiga".

Up to now they were exclusively licensed to AInc by Gateway, IIRC.
If AInc now would get dissolved, I would assume that the rights to the name fall back to the owner - Gateway.

And if someone wants to use the name legally, I'd think he would have to approach Gateway to obtain a similar license as AInc had.

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Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 11:57:07
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We can only speculate, we don´t know what exactly was written in the agreement between Amino and Gateway.

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Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 11:57:50
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I thought Gateway was purchased by Acer a few years ago?

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Jacken 
Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 12:17:52
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@BigD

And again.

I'm asking you, who failed to deliver a product in time that the contract was signed for.?

I really don't know why you are dragging H&P and Phase5 into this, but then again.

Why do you think or belive that AmigaInc chosed another company to do the PPC port.?
I know that some people denying to had anything to do with that, but then again...humm...

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What others! No one else owned the IP during the last 10 years! Amiga Inc have more reponsibility than most because they could do whatever they wanted with the Amiga brand and chose a SNOWMAN MAKER !! In the previous decade (the 90s),


Lol, have you actually missed that AmigaInc during this years have tried to get something back that they owned.
What else could they do during this time?
Well ok, they could have released Snowman Maker 2 to keep you happy.

Bring back the 68k..??
I do agree with some of u here that they could had done something more with the Amiga name, perhaps sell mouses or sell pens.. anything that could generate some income to the company.

Back then, AmigaDE togheter with AmigaOS could actually have been something.
And that was why the first "roadmaps" for OS4 was very short. A quick port.


People here seems very angry about some broken promises, but what about not honoured contract. ?
Do we actually know how much this "hurted" AmigaInc.

Last edited by Jacken on 10-Feb-2010 at 12:19 PM.
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Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 12:40:32
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Escom at least procuded A1200's and A4000T's. I still don't get why Gateway bought Amiga. What was in it for them? As the generic users already left Amiga and we were left with the minority; Professional users who had accelerators, hard drives and who used AmigaOS (the poeple who jumped the boat mostly didn't even use Workbench)

This is very important: Ten years ago, when you mentioned Amiga to somebody they would remember the great games. Today when you say Amiga to someone, they still remember the games but those games aren't comparable to what computer have become today. They don't think about a possibility of Amiga becoming a competitor as Windows (that have basic things like Word processor, browser, media player, games,etc) is expected as granted and those people don't know anything about AmigaOS.

To be successful like the old Amiga, Amiga needs to create something innovative; Like an organic computer with artifical intelligence or whatever comes to your mind. Amiga Inc. or whatever their name is apperantly don't have any interest in becoming a successful brand once again. Why even pay fees for the amiga.com domain name? What's it about with the curse? What's going on :) Any conspiracy theories?

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Posted on 10-Feb-2010 12:42:18
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@Jacken

You can't have a quick port of an entire OS to a different hardware platform without providing proper documentation.

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Re: Amiga.com down?
Posted on 10-Feb-2010 12:46:57
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@Ancalimon

It s not about the curse, it is about the people. Not speaking only to business level. Look at our community for instance, so tiny and yet fragmented in an extraordinary level!

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Posted on 10-Feb-2010 13:07:42
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You can't have a quick port of an entire OS to a different hardware platform without providing proper documentation.


It wasn't the entire OS that was supposed to be done at the beginning.

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Posted on 10-Feb-2010 13:23:44
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Lol, have you actually missed that AmigaInc during this years have tried to get something back that they owned. What else could they do during this time? Well ok, they could have released Snowman Maker 2 to keep you happy.


They failed to convince a judge that they owned the AmigaOS (after the Amiga Inc Delaware vs Washington mess) and eventually settled out of court so it wasn't as clear cut as you make out! In the meantime they hired some Indian IT specialists, released AA/AA2, released some old Amiga Cinemaware games on Windows XP and released a Snowman Maker, and created the most ridiculously embarrassing technology website I've ever seen!! Yes I can see why you defend them, THEY'RE THE INNOCENTS IN ALL THIS??!!! Give me a break, Bill is a business man in a business with no vision, no original ideas and no reason to by the Amiga IP other than to pillage the festering remains for a quick buck! Don't try and explain away their ineffectual reign in any other way!! Their apathy and time wasting spin-doctoring has further damaged the Amiga Computer!

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Posted on 10-Feb-2010 13:29:02
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No, it was. They should have ported 3.x to ppc. But H&P refused to provide sources to Amiga Inc (I can't remember the reason) and by turn Amiga Inc. couldn't provide sources to Hyperion. Afterwards AA would have been integrated to, let's say 3.9.1 thus becoming hardware independent.

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Posted on 10-Feb-2010 13:32:11
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@BigD

Humm.. So if you hire someone to do a job, and they never finish the job, it's your fault??
Even you call them, pay them and they don't do the job it's still your fault?
Even if you signed a contract with them it's your fault that they don't deliver?

Ok.. well you are entitled to your own opionion, but so am I.

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Posted on 10-Feb-2010 13:34:51
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No it wasn't. We can arguee about this, buy actually you can read this contract.


Contract

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Posted on 10-Feb-2010 13:39:18
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Humm.. So if you hire someone to do a job, and they never finish the job, it's your fault?? Even you call them, pay them and they don't do the job it's still your fault? Even if you signed a contract with them it's your fault that they don't deliver?


Hyperion did the job, they were late doing it but by that time the original Amiga Inc had gone bankrupt anyway! Plus Amiga Inc couldn't secure the source code for OS 3.5 and 3.9 or even 3.1 to help them do their contracted job!!!

Hyperion found the source for OS3.1 from a third party it seems and finally delivered a 100% PowerPC native version of AmigaOS, something Amiga Inc didn't necessarily want. They wanted a small, basic PPC update to appease the Amiga community and there was no guarantee that further development would follow!!

We've got a new AmigaOS and we've got a dead Amiga Inc! The best of both worlds

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@Jacken

Honestly, I don't believe that Hyperion are angels. They surely took advantage of the financial state and inability of Amiga Inc. to make anything right. On the other hand, I very much doubt that OS4.x would have resorted to AA as a layer between thus becoming hardware independent although it sounds cool as an idea. AA was in an amateurish level since not a single useful app was created in-house, demonstrating its usability. Look, the best example is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2bofFSjPEc&feature=related There are no words to describe it... :(

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@Jacken

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Humm.. So if you hire someone to do a job, and they never finish the job, it's your fault??


I understood that Hyperion finished the jobs they were hired by Amiga Inc to do and that Amiga Inc were already in arrears with payments for those jobs at the time of the 2001 agreement being signed.

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