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Hypex 
Re: x1000 is Vaporware
Posted on 12-Feb-2010 15:00:46
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@MichaelMerkel

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so when will we finally know what the "MAP" actually is?


I think I've worked it out. HyperionMP is the MAP! He's just mising the A.

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bernd_afa 
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@Zylesea
>LSI announced they will ship an ibm 476 based cpu this month. The 476 is a pretty >interesting core. But for several reasons I seriously doubt it will be the cpu of the >x1000.

I see only this anouncement and for summer 2010 the release date of the 476 is way too late and also its no secret Chip.I dont understand how can a CPU be secret that is released in 6 months.I never see a CPU developer that not announce a CPU long time ago to make board developer able to develop boards for it, and the CPU can sell in more quantities when it go in production state, because boards are here

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http://www.techarena.in/news/10030-ibm-announces-powerpc-476fp-highest-performance-embedded-processor-syst.htm

The PowerPC 476FP hardcore is expected to be available to support designs starting in Oct 2009 with production in 4Q 2010. A synthesizable version is also expected in 4Q 2010.
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klx300r 
Re: x1000 is Vaporware
Posted on 12-Feb-2010 17:11:58
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i can't stand dark colours..it's depressing...try Amiga red & white

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steril606 
Re: x1000 is Vaporware
Posted on 12-Feb-2010 17:54:34
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I've just returned from a short expedition to Antarctica.


And you made it back alive??

The Amiga curse isn't what it used to be!

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I nominate this as post of the week...

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AmigaHeretic 
Re: x1000 is Vaporware
Posted on 12-Feb-2010 18:00:33
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@bernd_afa

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I dont understand how can a CPU be secret that is released in 6 months.



There is no secret chip. That is just people are making up.


Logically, why would a company sell a secret chip in batch of ~200? Companies probably give more than that away free to "large" companies that might be interesting in using their CPUs. 200 is nothing to someone running a FAB. I mean, how many x1000 do people really expect to be sold even if it did come? I mean @ $2000, 500 boards is $1,000,000.00 I don't know if this community can support the cost 500 boards at that price.


No the chip is not known, most likely because it is not set what it will be if it goes into production and they don't want us to know they are not 100% sure on CPU yet, because they know people will get upset they are announcing a product that isn't even designed fully yet.


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TheDungeonDelver 
Re: x1000 is Vaporware
Posted on 12-Feb-2010 23:08:34
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@Hypex

The "A" is for Antarctica.

Oh man, just realized this. Artica ... ANTArtica, anti-artica!

WE'RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS HERE PEOPLE.

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TheDungeonDelver 
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@klx300r
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i can't stand dark colours..it's depressing...try Amiga red & white


No thanks, I'd rather not have a clownputer on my desk.

(Of course the Amiga mindset the last few years seems to have been "cram it into the smallest case humanly possible, then double down for inhumanly possible and get indignant if the ports are ATX instead of whatever wonky console standard C= had going with the 500/600/1200" so who knows!)

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Caveman 
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@TheDungeonDelver

What about this?




This got to be one of the most ugly designs i ever seen

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TheDungeonDelver 
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@Caveman

Oh man! I totally forgot about that thing! Yeah, that's pretty hideous too. Belongs down there with the Intel Concept PC and the Amiga Walker!

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BigBentheAussie 
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Posted on 13-Feb-2010 6:08:00
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A while ago I would have said make the X1000 case black, but I really think a shiny white, like the XBox360, not only looks modern but retro at the same time. It really stands out. Even the colour of the Enterprise deck in the new Startrek movie is a glistening white, and that looks awesome.

There are a few white LG monitors out at the moment that would really look awesome, on a white pizza box shaped Amiga like the A1000 was. And there are plenty of nice white keyboards and mice out there.

I vote glistening white.

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COBRA 
Re: x1000 is Vaporware
Posted on 13-Feb-2010 6:47:45
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so when will we finally know what the "MAP" actually is?
the x1000 comes from a-eon. hyperion is porting the software (multi-core - that definitely IS a task).
is MAP the multi-core port of OS4? or what else?


As far as I understand it, the MAP is not the X1000, or the porting of OS4 to it. The MAP is the attempt to revive the Amiga platform. This involves teaming up with other companies who can develop hardware, specifying and developing a new range of products, finding new investors to finance developments, etc. I think it's quite clear from the A-EON site that the plan is much more than just a new motherboard.

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Caveman 
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@COBRA

This is how i understand it to.

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Kronos 
Re: x1000 is Vaporware
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Offcourse they know what CPU they are gonna use,cos the only suitable ones are SoCs and those are so different to each other that you just can't exchange them without designing a whole new mobo.

The might not know the final clockspeed but thats hardly a problem (announce it the loweset possible clock, noone will complain when the get a few 100MHz extra).

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tiffers 
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Posted on 13-Feb-2010 9:10:09
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@Kronos

Also, thery haven't said the CPU is unknown or un-announced. Just 'not seen in the wild'. Probably this would indicate no one has yet gone into production with it. I think when they release the final specs, people will know the cpu very well. It would seem to be fairly new tho.

@TrevorDick

Can't wait for the site update mate.

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TrevorDick 
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Can't wait for the site update mate.

Neither can I.

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TrevorDick 
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Thanks @steril606

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Missed that one! Love it. Did I say I was born on the 13th?

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@clebin

Opps, found it!

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Smurfen 
Re: x1000 is Vaporware
Posted on 13-Feb-2010 9:32:44
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@AmigaHeretic

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The only logical reason I could see of "not" telling what it is, would be that it's not 100% sure that it can/will be used and might change. Which means the MB is farther away then we are led to believe,

Now, that could be interpreted as a rather narrow minded statement. I hope you are only trying to make a bold statement to get a reaction.

Did it ever occur to you that upper management of A-Eon and the CPU vendor wants to make a joint announcement?
Or that the CPU vendor is not ready to officially announce that they have an agreement using this CPU due to other business reasons?

You are also basically saying that A-eon have developed a board without knowledge of what line of CPUs to use... Now that would be stupid since the CPU nowadays isn't exactly something you just put on the board after the design is finnished.

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Again, where are these things posted? What CPU is the board using? I mean this is the most basic of questions, yet I cannot find "Official" information on this. So, if I missed something I am sorry, but I do not believe I have on this issue.

Why would they need to tell us about the CPU? They have clearly stated that upper management can not reveal information about the CPU at this point in time.
You are just speculationg in regards to why.

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If I am correct then why are A-EON keeping the CPU a secret? I am saying that A-EON has announced the x1000 but won't even show us a full picture or tell us the CPU.

Broken record?


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I don't need to wait to see at this point it is Vapor. I'm not saying it won't come to be, but right now you can't even tell me the official CPU of this beast, so.....
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No the chip is not known, most likely because it is not set what it will be if it goes into production and they don't want us to know they are not 100% sure on CPU yet, because they know people will get upset they are announcing a product that isn't even designed fully yet.


Speculation and broken record.

This is basic spreading of FUD.
But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion, if this makes you feel good, go a head and repeat this over and over again.

I wish people would relax and enjoy the ride.
-A pre announcement has been made to show us something is going on.
-With a timeframe saying hopefully before the summer.
-A dual core Power Architecture CPU ISA 2.04 is confirmed.
-The exact vendor and model is yet to be announced due to upper management agreements.
-It is even stated that there will be a variety of CPUs to come.

So if there is nothing new before the summer, then you can start talking about vapor.

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Leo 
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Why would they need to tell us about the CPU? They have clearly stated that upper management can not reveal information about the CPU at this point in time.
You are just speculationg in regards to why.

Well, why creating a website, making an announcement if you know you can't announce anything ? Nor showing anything working (actually I'd have prefered to see a demo of the beast, without seeing nor knowing what's inside...).

What's the point ?

Btw if it's supposed to be *released* this *summer* (as it was suggested), they'd better be ready with the full specs and full software support in the next months...

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@Leo
If you read through this threads they stated there will be an interview in the coming issue of Amiga Future and the new website soon after, I wouldn't worry that much.

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