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Re: The New Commodore C500 and Commodore PC64
Posted on 31-Aug-2010 10:57:59
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@persia

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Now you are talking, I still miss the A1000 design after all these years.


I liked the A1000 pizza box design, a lot of the better workstations had a pizza box design, flat cases where needed because they had larger monitors an it than a normal DesktopPC had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_box_form_factor

They didn't had enough room for internal extencions, but with onboard GFX and a lot of onboard I/O you wouldn't need much PCI slot, a riser card might do it.

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Yeah, having it recharge keyboard and mouse while they are in the dock would be brilliant.


It is amazing how long wireless stuff works without a new battery.

BTW:
There are so much crazy keyboard designs around, I don't think I would ever like to have a build in keyboard again.

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Re: The New Commodore C500 and Commodore PC64
Posted on 31-Aug-2010 11:32:37
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It's a free world
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I don't think so.

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@Dandy

Ok and.... ?

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Re: The New Commodore C500 and Commodore PC64
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@Dandy

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There may even be an open letter from Barry, introducing himself and ...



Barry - like Barry Moss, aka Fleecy?


No, it is not Fleecy, but Commodore USA CEO. And - he already introduced himself, but instead of introducing himself in some explanatory and friendly way, he introduced himself like an incompetent fool, not understanding the site he is attacking is visited by many amigans, who are completly fed-up with all the past Amiga related legal crap.

http://www.osnews.com/story/23756/Commodore_USA_Threatens_OSNews_with_Legal_Action

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Manu 
Re: The New Commodore C500 and Commodore PC64
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Signs of progress ?
I sure hope so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDzjmCCaCww


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Re: The New Commodore C500 and Commodore PC64
Posted on 10-Oct-2010 18:55:14
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@Manu

Nice... I'm still deciding whether to buy it or not... I need a replacement for my desktop PC and all-in-one would be perfect as it would take less space and the specs on the PC64 are more then enough for me. The only problem is the keyboard, whether it'll be useful enough to write comfortably. And maybe I should wait a little bit more and get a tablet or a laptop commodore/amiga... hmmm.

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ruben 
Re: The New Commodore C500 and Commodore PC64
Posted on 10-Oct-2010 19:40:17
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@Manu

Cool, though I'd prefer the later C64c model, case was slicker.
Also the DVD drive is on the wrong side. And it needs more F-keys

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Posted on 10-Oct-2010 20:45:16
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@Manu

Are Google Ketchup models valid for production use? I'm not too convinced but I would be glad to be proven wrong by available products.

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BigBentheAussie 
The New C= Amiga 500x and C= 64x
Posted on 11-Oct-2010 4:30:25
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@Amiga_3k

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Are Google Ketchup models valid for production use?


If you are referring to the C64 design animation, I believe that animation was done in a eSolidWorks viewer. It isn't Google Sketchup.

The next step is to get a prototype printed out, so we can check the internal component sizes work. The printer spits out plastic layer after layer. Very cool and almost as good as the final product.

After that we'll have the initial molds made, good to produce 100 or so initial units for testing and promotional uses. We need four molds. Two for the bottom and two for the top. Our custom keyboard partner should have the key section ready for then. I can't tell you how much we agonised for may weeks over the key layout.

Then you make a final mold that is much tougher and good for at least 50-100 thousand units. Each step is pretty expensive.

The box/packaging will look a lot like the original US version. Hopefully we'll do the initial Europe version too. I'll be pushing for us to do the C64 ring-bound manual too.

There's a lot of work to be done before the end of the year.

Last edited by BigBentheAussie on 11-Oct-2010 at 05:51 AM.
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Re: The New C= Amiga 500x and C= 64x
Posted on 11-Oct-2010 5:46:41
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Obviously, now that we have the Amiga trademark in hand, the C500 name has changed.
The models will be Commodore 64x and Commodore Amiga 500x.
The x will not be on the C64 label. The x *may* appear beside the A500 label.
PC64 *may* still be used for promotion.
x is obviously a reference to the Intel/x86 chips.

Incidentally, the A500x is on the back-burner for next year.
We have our hands full with the C64x right now.
We will likely have our Amiga desktop/s out well before the A500x.

This thread is from quite a while ago and I notice I am the OP.
I would like to change the thread title (as above subject) but I'm not sure if I am breaking the TOS if I do so.

Edit: Oh, and I might as well fill you in on some of the other news.
Amigo and Invictus will likely be dropped as models entirely.
This will be reflected on the new website which will be ready.............when it's done.

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Posted on 11-Oct-2010 6:01:16
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@BigBentheAussie

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The box/packaging will look a lot like the original US version. Hopefully we'll do the initial Europe version too.


I'm hoping this doesn't mean that the sales at the start will be limited to US only?

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We will likely have our Amiga desktop/s out well before the A500x.


Desktop as in A1000 or A4000 towered? Custom cases/keyboards?

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BigBentheAussie 
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Posted on 11-Oct-2010 6:29:43
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@WolfToTheMoon

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I'm hoping this doesn't mean that the sales at the start will be limited to US only?

We are in the process of choosing all our distributors for the US and Europe.
There's a heck of a lot of interest.
Regardless, they will be for sale world-wide from our website and possibly Amazon.
The distributed models sold in stores will likely be a specific spec and beige/cream coiour.
You will eventually have several configuration options from our website.
HD size/type, BluRay, Memory, slot or tray load, Black/White/Beige case colours etc.
Also everything from Core2Quad down to possibly even Celeron.
The actual Key colours may also be an option.
Barry wants a totally white key option for some reason.
You could really go nuts with all the options and spend as much as you want.
The C64x cases can also be sold separately or barebones, and they should be able to take any mini-ITX board.
I am pushing for the Black and White case colour options to be labeled like C16 and Vic20, but I seem to be losing that battle as the marketoids believe C64 is the most popular. What do you think?
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Desktop as in A1000 or A4000 towered? Custom cases/keyboards?

Obviously our Amigas will also lend themselves to a variety of options, but the model family will have a fairly fixed modern and elegant look.
I will leave the big reveal for closer to launch.

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Manu 
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Posted on 11-Oct-2010 6:39:53
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@BigBentheAussie

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I am pushing for the Black and White case colour options to be labeled like C16 and Vic20, but I seem to be losing that battle as the marketoids believe C64 is the most popular. What do you think?


I'd say do the C64 variant first and see how it goes. And about the"old" C64 with white keys...hmm I wouldn't want that one. Great to hear you plan to sell the case separately also if someone want to do their own thing.

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WolfToTheMoon 
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Posted on 11-Oct-2010 7:06:23
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@BigBentheAussie

Will laptops be launched together with the desktop Amiga line?
Also, what software to expect for C64x/Amigas?

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BigBentheAussie 
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Posted on 11-Oct-2010 7:34:49
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@WolfToTheMoon

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Will laptops be launched together with the desktop Amiga line?
Also, what software to expect for C64x/Amigas?

Sorry, the answers to your questions will have to wait until closer to launch.
And before you ask....2011.

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BigBentheAussie 
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Posted on 11-Oct-2010 9:56:06
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@ruben

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Cool, though I'd prefer the later C64c model, case was slicker.

Yeah, I hear you. Maybe some time in the future.
That case is slimmer which poses a problem though in terms of motherboard selection.
The A500x will be slicker, so maybe that will take your fancy. It will be all black though.
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Also the DVD drive is on the wrong side.

Really? Maybe for an Amiga. It makes sense for it to be on that side really.
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And it needs more F-keys

Huh? We increased it from 4 to 5!!! (4 function keys didn't look right any more)
Actually, the PC function keys are on the row with the numeric keys and are accessed by a FN key.
The classic function keys on the right are now Hotkeys, to launch a browser, search, e-mail and volume up and down. Alternate functions are Play/Pause, Back, Forward, Stop/Eject and Mute.

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Amiga_3k 
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Posted on 11-Oct-2010 10:31:47
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@BigBentheAussie

I stand corrected. As a daily user of Unigraphics and Pro/Engineer I don't have experience with SolidWorks and thus did not regonize the model as such. I would expect a little more detail from SolidWorks renderings. But then... we tune down the graphics on a daily base to keep the systems usable in terms of speed.

I'm don't know what process you will use for the pre-series but I sure hope they use a better technolgy as we once used for the production of a couple of PUR enclosures. We had silicon moulds made for a pre-series of 10, the results were absolutely disapointing and surely not close to the end results, made in aluminium moulds.

You must have a good relation with your moulding company , we had to be patience for 13 weeks for the mould to be finished (it is a bit bigger but only consists of two parts).

We'll see what you will come up with.

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ruben 
Re: The New Commodore C500 and Commodore PC64
Posted on 11-Oct-2010 10:49:00
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@BigBentheAussie

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The A500x will be slicker, so maybe that will take your fancy. It will be all black though.


That's a plus. White / beige technology brings me back images of dirty / yellowing keyboards. Though nostalgia purists may prefer white.

Quote:
Really? Maybe for an Amiga. It makes sense for it to be on that side really.


Most laptops I see today also have the DVD drive on the right side. But with your design, you will make lots of friends in the left-handed community

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Posted on 11-Oct-2010 10:57:23
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@ruben

Black is nice... Most of the (LCD)screens on sale today have a black case, so it makes sense to have a black AIO.

@BigBentheAussie

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Obviously our Amigas will also lend themselves to a variety of options, but the model family will have a fairly fixed modern and elegant look.


Quote:
The A500x will be slicker, so maybe that will take your fancy. It will be all black though.


That's a step in the right dorection, I wasn't very fond of the Fantasy case as shown on your current webpage... somehow it's very 1990s.

What about AROS? Can you comment on that?

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Posted on 11-Oct-2010 12:31:40
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@BigBentheAussie

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Sorry, the answers to your questions will have to wait until closer to launch.
And before you ask....2011.

leo: i'm very pleased to see the replies you've recently made in this thread. they indicate a far higher level of professionalism than seen in the past and suggest you guys 'are for real' in way lacking earlier.

based on your comments it does seem your firm will have some very nice PC clones on offer after all. i look forward to seeing what you end up with at launch.

-- eliyahu

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