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eliyahu 
Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
Posted on 24-Oct-2010 20:34:39
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@vision

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Anyway I agree with you I am more interested in stuff for NG. I expected to see news and announcements like:

- Processor of the X1000

- Price of the X1000 (with and without VAT or / and with or without OS4)

- Estimated release date for beta testers and end users

- Progress on OS4 for x1000 and Sam EX

- Progress on USB2 drivers

- Progress on Printer /Scanner / webcam / firewire drivers

- State of development of Multiple cores and 64 bits and if we can expect or discard them at release date.

- State of the new graphic subsystem and OpenGL

- Support for Xena

- Any small or siemple demo? (either of Xena or the X1000)

NONE of this aspects have been covered, and I am not asking for very big deals, most of them is just a matter of being a bit comunicative. The speeches and the event itself are being very dissapointing.

actually some of it has been covered. let me see if i can summarize a bit from what ben, trevor, et al, have said in their various speeches and conversations:

1. the processor has not yet been officially unveiled

2. no discussion of price has yet come up

3. varisys is still finishing up bringup/test of the revision 2 nemo board; beta testers should have kit in hand prior to the end of the year; general availability is 2011, although they don't want to commit to a specific date as yet

4. OS4 is running well on both systems; the sam460ex should be available in the coming weeks

5. the USB2 stack is feature-complete; release is being delayed in trying to support a few devices which do not adhere to the USB2 spec well; ETA was non-specific, but 'coming soon'

6. hyperion considers an overhaul of the printing subsystem to be a priority; the company is investigating various options, including CUPS; no discussion of support for firewire has been brought up yet

7. support for multi-core processors is job #1 on the kernel side; the roadmap for the future beyond the X1000 would also be based around multi-core processors, so such support is important (not just for the X1000); support is not expected by the release of the X1000, but anything is possible

8. this is the cool bit: say goodbye to miniGL -- OS4 is transitioning to gallium3D in the future

9. there are plans for development tools for xena, but it is not planned to be used by the OS per se; it is more of a hobbyist add-on

both the SAM460EX and the X1000 are available for anyone who wants to play with them. folks should come next year. the show is wonderful: great people, great hardware, good times.

i'm typing this now on one of amigadave's MOS demo machines, by the way, but if anyone has any other questions, i'll try and answer them as will some of the other attendees who post here. robert is making some great video and is trying to field questions for folks on the amiga.org IRC channel. you can try there as well.

-- eliyahu

Last edited by eliyahu on 30-Oct-2010 at 11:48 PM.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@Metalheart
I'm using VLC, listening to the audio only stream (video stream was too choppy when I tried that before). Which streams have you tried?

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You're right, mate! When I will ever visit such an event, I'll do your bidding, but there's so much choice!

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@eliyahu

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9. there are plans for development tools for xena, but it is not planned to be used by the OS per se; it is more of a hobbyist add-on


Hm, so it is just a "we're different" marketing tool like some already guessed... Too bad, but it is probably due to their limited resources that they must focus on more important things.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@HenryCase

http://stream.ziaspace.com:8000

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@number6
Video stream working for me now, thanks.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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Just watched Jens talking about forthcoming products. The next Indivision AGA will be forA1200 and A4000T. It will use DDR instead of SDR memory and has a DVI interface for video output.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@eliyahu

That's was I was talking about man!! many many thanks for your answers and quick report!!

Although they don´t give much new info, and I don´t understand why are they keeping the secret around the processor at this point when almost everybody knows is the PAT6, so it would be great if some of you people there still try to squeeze any more info from the main actors before they leave the hall.

Anyway I think yours was the most complete info until now, so many thanks again for sharing it with us.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@thread

Raffles again.

Next up:

Paul Sadlik, What has your Amiga done for you lately?
How to get things done with OS4

SYNOPSIS:
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your Amiga and OS4? A brief tour through Amiga applications for daily
computing on the internet, work and play.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
Posted on 24-Oct-2010 21:33:46
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@Stephen_Robinson

Affordable PPC card is the problem, the rest I can scrap together. Wonder if anyone out there is thining about making any more.

But you're right, Sam would probably be cheaper. It's always fun keeping the old stuff going though

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@number6

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Next up:

Paul Sadlik, What has your Amiga done for you lately?
How to get things done with OS4

Underway now. It's still kinda hard to hear the speaker over the background chatting. Oh, and someone should teach poor Paul the Ctrl-Alt qualifier to be able to resize a window from any edge .

But otherwise interesting stuff.

Best regards,

Niels

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I just want to apologise to anyone for the issues with the stream. I can assure you the relay was tested thoroughly prior to the weekend, it's just unfortunate something went wrong.


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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@nbache

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It's still kinda hard to hear the speaker over the background chatting.


I reported that right away.
We don't know if we can alter that atm.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
Posted on 24-Oct-2010 22:20:34
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@vision

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Although they don´t give much new info, and I don´t understand why are they keeping the secret around the processor at this point when almost everybody knows is the PAT6, so it would be great if some of you people there still try to squeeze any more info from the main actors before they leave the hall.

Anyway I think yours was the most complete info until now, so many thanks again for sharing it with us.

my pleasure.

by the way, on the subject of the X1000 CPU, if it was indeed the PA6T then, having worked with apple before, it certainly makes sense that they cannot announce the use of the part until given approval. if it was the PA6T there would be a contract that would specify that.

i'm sure trevor would like to say more, but appears constrained. the 'secret CPU' has been a burden, and i don't think it is because of A-EON but rather the CPU supplier. at least that is my understanding.

-- eliyahu

Last edited by eliyahu on 24-Oct-2010 at 10:25 PM.

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@eliyahu

Can you find out what the conditions are for A-Eon to tell us what the CPU is?

Is it that they have to wait for a certain date, or for their product to get to a certain point, or...?

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Can you find out what the conditions are for A-Eon to tell us what the CPU is?

Is it that they have to wait for a certain date, or for their product to get to a certain point, or...?

i'll ask trevor if that is something he can answer, sure.

-- eliyahu

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@number6

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@nbache

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It's still kinda hard to hear the speaker over the background chatting.


I reported that right away.
We don't know if we can alter that atm.

#6


The answer is to use a more directional microphone next year.

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Re: Amiwest 2010 - News
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@HenryCase

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The answer is to use a more directional microphone next year. About


You can make any recommendations you like to the show promoters.
I'm sure they would appreciate the input.

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T-J 
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@eliyahu

Great, thanks!

Any details about anything at all relating to the X1000, the XMOS or the future will be greatly appreciated. Check his reaction to the suggestion of possible Classic Accelerators, too.

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Daniel 
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Next up:

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Only caught the end, any chance of uploading somewhere? Sounded good.

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