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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 27-Oct-2010 12:08:28
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@stefanor Quote:
could somebody point me to the original announcement of OS4.1 being available for the Classics? Thanks.

There is no original *announcement*, since some people just reported what they heard at AmiWest. It was supposed to become available by the end of the year.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 28-Oct-2010 17:34:30
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So no news for interview with Elbox about PPC cards info?
How about to try with GVP or Individual Computers!?!
I see this PPC card thing like a total migration of Amiga OS users to new functionality and freedom to use modern add ons on their classics.
Someonewill say that he dont see the point adding PPC card to 15 or 12 years old comp but usage of classic part is minor for mouse and kayboard maybe...
It is a virtual classic and migration to new and usable soft and hardware for day hard fans of Amiga classics machines. One day they will switch of classic part for good.
Next good thing if we get faster PPC cards is tthat OS 4x team have less job to adapt OS4 to Classic version.
Imagine: Mediator or Prometheus with 1.5GHz PPC card or higher
Radeon Card
Sound Blaster music card
and some
USB card for add on things
I think that this is pretty modren classic machine for couple of years capabel for dayly usage.
We need this info to support developers and classics owners to make a move in right direction.
So activate your self Aworld!

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 28-Oct-2010 17:41:51
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@Comi

Anything is possible. The classic users have to come together, along with the leaders in the Amiga Community that can actually make it happen.

I would love to see such a project started and finished.

How about starting a poll -

IF a new PPC accelerator was produced for A1200/A4000, how many users would buy it?

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 28-Oct-2010 17:45:32
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@HammerD

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How about starting a poll -


I suppose you mean a new poll is in order.
Perhaps reading the old one will help offer some advice as to wording of such a poll.

the prior poll

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 28-Oct-2010 17:50:05
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@number6

Thanks for the reminder on that ;)

A new poll may be warranted in light of the OS 4.1 classic announcement, or a bump to the old poll to move it front and centre again.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
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@number6

I think there is market for PPC cards.
This card from GVP isnt evan PPC but price is 500 !!!
http://www.vesalia.de/e_a4060dt.htm

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
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@HammerD

I really think you have to consider all the issues raised in the former poll in order to draft a reasonable new poll.
Just look at the questions about 68k, OS3.x support, overall cost affecting a vote, etc. and you'll understand instantly.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
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@Comi

Quote:
I think there is market for PPC cards.


erm...you are preaching to the wrong person. Heh.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 28-Oct-2010 17:56:46
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@number6

I would try to keep it simple for the poll.

"If a new PPC accelerator were to be developed for the A1200/A4000, capable of running OS4.1, would you buy it, assuming reasonable price?

A) Yes!
B) No!
C) Yes, but only if it also had a 68K to run OS 3.x
D) pancakes

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@Comi

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Imagine: Mediator or Prometheus with 1.5GHz PPC card or higher Radeon Card Sound Blaster music card and some USB card for add on things


I imagine that would cost a lot of money... There's X1000 if you really want all that power.
For classics, hm, I'd rather see maybe a run of new motherboards with Freescale Coldfire, including all the modern goodies one would want, 3D gfx, new audio, USB, faster bus and use of a faster RAM + AROS 68k... similar to Atari Firebee which I like very much... That would be 600-700 euros(judging by Firebee project), which is somewhat acceptable. I'd buy that.

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@HammerD

Without a thorough reread of the old poll, I would say you covered the major deciding factors. Excellent.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 on PPC-equipped Classics
Posted on 28-Oct-2010 18:11:31
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@WolfToTheMoon

People who already have classics expansion boards don't mind about money I think.
Coldfire isnt compatible and dont support OS4.1
So I think that fast PPC is goal!

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@Comi

Quote:
Coldfire isnt compatible and dont support OS4.1


I'd rather run OS 3.x on any classic... more software available.

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People who already have classics expansion boards don't mind about money I think.


Yes, but an expansion board with that much power would probably be not that much cheaper then X1000.

I'd rather have something cheaper and 68k compatible...

A Coldfire based 68k classic could still be more then powerful enough for anything OS 3.x related... leave the OS 4.x for X1000 and other PPC Amigas

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@WolfToTheMoon
We have new OS 4.1 for Classics and what we need is fatster PPC card compatible with OS4.1 ..to go forward... word is about next step with classics to new OS 4.1 new functionality and new software...browsers, players and office for example not step back with coldfire to 3.9...
I think that good price will be in range from 400 to 700 , so it is acceptable if you make comparaton with today accelerators..

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@Comi

well, you will not go much forward with OS 4.1, especially software wise. There's not a lot of point in going with 4.1 on classics for me. With a community this small you wont be seeing much new software. I'd rather enjoy old software more comfortably. If you want a PPC power machine, go for X1000.

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oops, posted by mistake.

moderators: please delete!

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@WolfToTheMoon

Then I may conclude that Hyperion making mistake with OS4.1 for Classics?

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@Comi


I don't know, sales will show that... but ideally, I'd still like to see a enhanced 68k machine which is affordable. Maybe Natami will be that, maybe not. We'll see... Until then, I'm searching for a nice 1200 or 4000 to upgrade from 500.

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Posted on 28-Oct-2010 18:57:09
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@ChrisH

No official announcement by Hyperion, but is likely to be at the moment
it is ready. How will it work on 604 with RAM and GFX card is likely to be seen.
It would be nice to have Voodo and even AGA drivers back and OS 4.0 look mode, too.

However, Amiga Classic OS 4.1 is likely to require more RAM, which at ths moment is best provided by this new toy
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=958

If this becomes requirment OS 4.1 Classic Will not be useful on A1200 PPC?

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Posted on 28-Oct-2010 18:59:40
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As long as Hyperion don't spend TOO long on this endeavour I welcome it, but certainly it should not be a priority.

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