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kas1e 
Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 27-Feb-2011 18:18:48
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Maybe you are on the state that you need some programmers who would like to help you by betatesting ?


You mean that Fab and Deniil not good enough programmers ?:) You can't imagine how big OWB code is , and no one more programmer will in interest to understand all that code for sure (because they have no time, they have no motivation, they have other projects as well). And even if someone will have motivation, he will loose it after few days, when will got how big that beast. Expectually when such strange crash logs will happens. But thanks for worring about :)

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@kas1e

Another thing to try: add your own malloc()/calloc()/realloc()/free() functions (using AllocVec/FreeVec or similiar) to override the ones in the c lib.

This will help in case the mungwall tool is otherwise not able to track each of this allocations individually (like if for example c lib malloc + co. functions alloc mem in blocks/pools and then use their own mem routines to do the final/real allocations from this blocks).

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@kas1e

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@Framiga

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did you actually read what Max (m3x ) wrote? (post #646)

You trying to be smart-ass or helpfull ? Sounds a bit smart-ass kind.

Quote:

The MUNGE option, is not the soluton to your crashes. It replaces/adds mungwall you are using (that you must remove)


Where i say that its should be solution for my crashes ?

Quote:

Here what he suggested few post above:

"if you have a kernel.debug, you may try adding the "munge" option to the os4_commandline and check if the crashlog show something different "


And ? If i say "crash the same" , its not mean that it crahses the same and i wait that it will never crashes, its mean that its produce for me the same crash with the same info as without munge . I.e. no difference. I think everyone understand that as well who trying to help here. But i will edit post for m3x , just to avoid more answer of this kind


are you drunk or simply stupid?

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@kas1e

You mean that Fab and Deniil not good enough programmers ?:)

No, of course. Programmers mean someone who betatest mainly but have some little programming knowledges.

Fab not use your MUI-OWB for AOS4 and Deniil and Slash I don't know. You are the only one who use MUI-OWB for AOS4 ?

For example, maybe your actual version work well on SAM computers...

Choosing 2-3 peoples for betatesting could help maybe...

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@Mrodfr

I and Deniil use it , and samo79 betatest it for now

@Framiga

For first i of course want to say who you are , but well .. no in big interest to talk with you at all. I of course want for first start to write all that stuff, but can i just ask you: not help me there ? I think m3x can answer without your help if he (or i) will not understand something, yeah ?

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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I and Deniil use it , and samo79 betatest it for now


Hum, ok, It's now a moment that I don't understand samo79 answers. I imagined he used the Reaction OWB for comparing It's more clear now..


Hey, Framiga is verry great. Surely a langage problem.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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ok then, see you when you will be sober!

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@Georg

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Another thing to try: add your own malloc()/calloc()/realloc()/free() functions (using AllocVec/FreeVec or similiar) to override the ones in the c lib.

This will help in case the mungwall tool is otherwise not able to track each of this allocations individually (like if for example c lib malloc + co. functions alloc mem in blocks/pools and then use their own mem routines to do the final/real allocations from this blocks).


Aha thanks. I tryed for now and with memguard, and with munge, and without everything, and crash always looks the same as visually, as in raw-crash output. I read on amigans.net that someone use "mpatrol" library, which are link library and replace all that mallocs/callocs over macroses by same debug stuff , maybe it will help as well ..

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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I and Deniil use it , and samo79 betatest it for now


Hum, ok, It's now a moment that I don't understand samo79 answers. I imagined he used the Reaction OWB for comparing It's more clear now..


Hey, Framiga is verry great. Surely a langage problem.



it seems a plain lack of education for me ... he reacted in a very disturbing way.

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@Framiga

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it seems a plain lack of education for me ... he reacted in a very disturbing way.


You know who "smart ass" is it ? Its someone, who think, that he understand something more, that other ones. And when you write:

"did you actually read what Max (m3x ) wrote? (post #646)"

Its mean like i not read what other write to me. Why i even will ask anything, if i not read answers ?

Nextly , you trying to explain things, which already checked, and done. And you trying to write it like you for now understand everything (while i and others of course not). And i just write to you in "that way" all of this, because of you trying to help without actual help.
As from time to time like to do some amiga-users (like "now we will point you on your mistakes!").

You can be sure, i read all the aswers, and (as i think) understand all of them. But even if not, you always can write something without being "smart ass", and without all those "did you actually read" words.

(but in general, that all now make no sense for our problem , so if you want to discuss it really, we can continue in pm).

And what mean that stuff:
Quote:

it seems a plain lack of education for me ... he reacted in a very disturbing way.


:)) But you of course not luck eduaction, and its i who "looks like" lack it ?:) Let's close that stuff , or continue in pm if you want.

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Posted on 27-Feb-2011 19:37:59
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@kas1e

no need to continue in PM .... i wont understand you anyway

Have a nice evening!

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 27-Feb-2011 20:19:18
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@kas1e

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Trying ryght now to wait 10 minuts on google. And them, type something, it found some, then press on any link - lockup.

Can you detect time exactly, i mean if it for you really 5 minuts + type in google "test" , then enter and crash ?

Because if for you it take 5 minuts, and for me 10 then imho we have different sze of memory (i have 1gb).


Sorry for delay, ISP problems = connection down for 3 hours

I wait on google page for 6 minutes, then typed somethings in search and it freeze, i have 1 GB RAM on my Sam

Quote:
I start to think that its still "somehow to sites related". I.e. when you go to google.com and wait 10 minuts, then start to go to any other sites => lockup.

If you go for example at "aros-exec.org" (which for now have nothing on the page, only login window), then wait 10 minuts, then, you can browse the net for next 10 minuts before crash !

What make me think, that some "normal" pages have something, which cause such trashing. Maybe they have javascript (in which code, we also do some changes (was morphos specific) and pretty easyly can ####s here) ) or maybe its related to strings (for title, name of site, etc).

Will be cool now to test just like this:

-- going to 100% non-java site (no java script, not java of any kind). Wait some time, start browse the net (going to google, etc) and detect will lockup happens at this time , or after 10 mins more.

-- going to site which have java-sript stuff ,but to some small one, wait for 10 mins, and start to browse the net (going to google, etc).

If there will be difference, and if after non-jawa site we can use net for 10 mins more, then its very possible related to some "javascriptcollector.cpp" code (which have morphos specific parts, which we a bit change as well).


Well google homepage doesn't contain any Javascript scripts i think, i try also on www.iksnet.it and it's the same, i'll try other page BTW ...

@Framiga & kas1e

Calm down boyz, peace and love !

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I was in reall hope that its because of javascript (because we have to change some stuff in javascriptcorecollector.cpp) , and when i disable it , i browse net for 20-25 minuts, and when i was in hope that IS IT, its crasehes with the same crash :)

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@kas1e

I have to correct myself regarding MUI, when OWB freeze it freeze MUI as well, for this "experiment" i leave opened the prefs window while surfing, and when crash happened i note that i cannot select any option from the OWB prefs.

Aniway now i'm trying surfing on www.netsurf-browser.org website, this site doens't contain any Javascript code for sure as NetSurf doesn't support it at all, for now my clock say 10 minutes and at the moment i can browse it without any crash, we'll see if you are right about it ... crossing fingers !!

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I have to correct myself regarding MUI, when OWB freeze it freeze MUI as well, for this "experiment" i leave opened the prefs window while surfing, and when crash happened i note that i cannot select any option from the OWB prefs.


I mean that owb freezes only when you actually surf the net (something downloads and parses), but not when you just download nothing, and only browse the GUI, right ?

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Right, if you just play with the GUI (without surfing at all) there is no crash

BTW, 15 minutes on NetSurf site, i'm clicking links like a monkey, no crash at the moment ...

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@Framiga

Let's try and keep the personal comments to PMs and not public. I don't see the need for them in this thread.

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I was in reall hope that its because of javascript (because we have to change some stuff in javascriptcorecollector.cpp) , and when i disable it , i browse net for 20-25 minuts, and when i was in hope that IS IT, its crasehes with the same crash :)


You disable Javascript from code or simply from GUI option ?

20 or so minutes and no crash on NetSurf site ...

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In prefs/content (and save/exit/run owb again). Because when you just disable it from pull-down menu, it disables only for actual page , and on new pages will auto-enables (in other words prefs/content/java only way to fully disable).

Try now go to repubblica.it and click some links :) I also was almos sure that is it , but then crash.

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n prefs/content (and save/exit/run owb again). Because when you just disable it from pull-down menu, it disables only for actual page


Ah ok

[Stupid question ON]

But are you sure that prefs --> content option --> Javascript support
really works ?

Maybe even disabling it continue to work ...

[/Stupid question ON]

Me ... 30 and so minutes on NetSurf clicking everywhere and no crash at all, at this point i start to think ehm ... check this ####ing javascript !!

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