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Deniil715 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 10:11:11
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38 pages! Wow!!

Can someone please summarize There was at least a few pages about 2/4GB and negative pointers, and at least one page about GPL.

I see the thread has a few years behind it though....

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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Now days it maybe more and more common to use GITHUB or sourceforge.net, but issue whit this on Amiga poor support for this kind of things. Also sourceforge.net has problem whit commercial or close sourced projects.

Remember that according to GPL, it's not enough if you can point any requesting user to the latest version / general source repository of a project, he's entitled to the exact same version that was used to produce the binary he has. So you don't even need to offer anything older / newer. Of course it's good enough to tell which version to pull from repository, and quite many users probably prefer the latest version instead, if available.

Regarding sourceforge, as they started adding unrelated & unwanted software to installers of several programs, they have lost a lot of popularity lately. and for a very good reasons, if you ask me!

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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But providing source code also means that there will be some people out there, who are tweaking and altering it. That might in the end mean that the AmigaOS development team have to support more versions.

The next question would be, why would any one need to see the source code?
Does it matter what license, any part of AmigaOS is developed under?

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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got it now Andy and instantly see the benefit of my external 250GB USB drive is now fully visible

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OlafS25 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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Opensource works by different people not only using code but also giving back changes. Perhaps there are some improvements in it that the MorphOS people are interested too.

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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Perhaps there are things that MorphOS could use from the AmigaOS code. But it's a business, and giving your work away is not good business.

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 15:12:01
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@Yssing

Well there are many companies that cooperate, some things are better to share.

Often companies that has some thing is not core part of there business share things on Git hub, it might be because they want people to help improve it.

But it always depends on what it is, and if it is some thing that can give the company a edge or not.

Some MUI classes are open sourced.

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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@Jupp3

Well if you use GIT or CVS, all the changes are availabile including the newer and older, as well as the version that was released.

Its the best way to keep track of changes.
And maybe you did not like some thing your can roll back to previous change.

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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@Yssing

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@OlafS25

Perhaps there are things that MorphOS could use from the AmigaOS code. But it's a business, and giving your work away is not good business.


Ouch ...

For the record: One of the components in this, granted, major step forward for Hyperion, filesysboxlib, does actually stem from Morphos ...

Evert

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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@Yssing

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@OlafS25

Perhaps there are things that MorphOS could use from the AmigaOS code. But it's a business, and giving your work away is not good business.


That's why benefitting your commercial orgainsation using other people's hard work (using FOSS GPL code) and not providing the sources is against the terms of the license.

Don't want to share your code? That's fine, just don't base it on other people's GPL'd work.

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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@Yssing

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But providing source code also means that there will be some people out there, who are tweaking and altering it. That might in the end mean that the AmigaOS development team have to support more versions.

If you modify it, that's YOUR own version, there's no reason why the original author(s) should support it.

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The next question would be, why would any one need to see the source code? Does it matter what license, any part of AmigaOS is developed under?

Btw these are 3rd party contributions and already opensourced by the original author (Leif) since about the second release, so this discussion is void if you ask me

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Jupp3 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
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@Yssing

Quote:

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But providing source code also means that there will be some people out there, who are tweaking and altering it. That might in the end mean that the AmigaOS development team have to support more versions.

The authors don't have to support any version but their own. Or they can even stop supporting that too, if they want.
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The next question would be, why would any one need to see the source code?
Does it matter what license, any part of AmigaOS is developed under?

The original authors could have kept the code closed, so there would be no need for this discussion and OS4 wouldn't have this feature, and the world would be a happier place.

We could also ignore OS4's license, and upload it to a torrent sites. Wouldn't be that different from ignoring GPL.

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salass00 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 17:01:35
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I don't know why the source code was restricted to registered users only but this was not what I had in mind.

FWIW I've uploaded the source codes to my dropbox account:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26599983/filesysbox-53.21-src.7z
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26599983/ntfs-3g-53.24-src.7z

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Boot_WB 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 17:07:03
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@salass00

Congratulations on the release, and thanks for clarifying.

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OlafS25 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 17:09:16
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@salass00

thanx

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Jupp3 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 17:13:22
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@Yssing

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Perhaps there are things that MorphOS could use from the AmigaOS code. But it's a business, and giving your work away is not good business.

Very true, yet the people behind filesysbox & ntfs choose to do exactly that, and AmigaOS4 gets to benefit from that, for free. (You were talking about them weren't you?)

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ssolie 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 18:30:18
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I don't know why the source code was restricted to registered users only but this was not what I had in mind.

Simply to keep the bandwidth down since it isn't my server. Feel free to distribute it any way you wish of course. I just wanted to be sure the code was available along with the binaries (they are both on the same server).

It is highly amusing to see so many jumping to conclusions and throwing around wild theories when all they had to do was email me for clarification or even a copy of the code.

Have fun with the theories guys. LOL

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Yssing 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 18:32:27
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@jorit2
My comment was a comment for Olafs25, I guess that eluded your attention.

@jupp3
All I am saying is, that you shouldnt expect people to give stuff away just because, if they do, then its fine, but don't expect everyone to do it.

@jupp3
Feel free to upload a torrent of amigaos, and see where that takes you.

And by the way, if you guys look at the post just above my post, you might get an idea of whay I wrote what I wrote. I didn't bring this issue up.

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Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 18:49:59
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salass00 
Re: An abundance of AmigaOS
Posted on 12-Feb-2014 18:57:00
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@Yssing

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But providing source code also means that there will be some people out there, who are tweaking and altering it. That might in the end mean that the AmigaOS development team have to support more versions.


FWIW patches can be e-mailed to me and if they are good enough they can be incorporated into the main sources. Moving the source code to an open SVN server might be worth considering if there are many people willing to contribute to the project.

It should be noted that the released source code does not represent the latest versions of these components, as f.e. the latest beta release of filesysbox.library is ATM version 53.24 (that's 3 revisions higher than the current publically released version).

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