@Nameless

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Nameless wrote: @damocles Has CUSA ever stated their plans for 2.x? Are they developing their own Amiga-like OS If CUSA can't sell machines with AROS pre-loaded, For their C-64x series, I expect many will be pre-loaded with Win7, I find it a little odd that if CUSA wanted to buy a license or port of OS4,

The answers to all your CUSA questions are properly discussed at their web site.
It's just a bit of etiquette.

@Mechanic
I looked over their forums, and found some answers there, but not much regarding their upcoming OS.

I apologize if I crossed any etiquette issues mentioning CUSA. I am aware of the animosity many here have towards them, but didn't think it was considered bad etiquette to even bring up their name.

So I know for the future, are CUSA topics allowed to be discussed on this forum?

Although I understand why people dislike them... and stating it kindly, CUSA's CEO had some customer relation issues he could have handled a lot better, but I wonder if the situation is really so different than when the first AmigaOne was released?

Didn't the AmigaOne ship with Linux to start with and it was several years later that OS4 came out?

How does the situation with CUSA's planned Amiga machines, shipping with a yet unmade OS (theoretically Amiga-like), differ? Besides the naming rights to the OS, that is.

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but I wonder if the situation is really so different than when the first AmigaOne was released?

Heh... if you have lost your flame thrower you can always start topic time travel back to 2002 and start AmigaOne topic. WW3 guaranteed.

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Nameless wrote: @Mechanic I looked over their forums, and found some answers there, but not much regarding their upcoming OS.

Now that Dammy is aware of this shortcoming I'm sure it will be corrected.

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I apologize if I crossed any etiquette issues mentioning CUSA. I am aware of the animosity many here have towards them, but didn't think it was considered bad etiquette to even bring up their name. So I know for the future, are CUSA topics allowed to be discussed on this forum?

Yes. People can yak all they want about cusa in this forum, as long as that's all they're going to do.
Bashing, diminishing, other systems and people is best done elsewhere. Just etiquette.

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Although I understand why people dislike them... and stating it kindly, CUSA's CEO had some customer relation issues he could have handled a lot better, but I wonder if the situation is really so different than when the first AmigaOne was released? Didn't the AmigaOne ship with Linux to start with and it was several years later that OS4 came out?

Off Topic. No reply.

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How does the situation with CUSA's planned Amiga machines, shipping with a yet unmade OS (theoretically Amiga-like), differ? Besides the naming rights to the OS, that is.

Ask Barry. He is very open and honest, because at this point I suspect any answer will be
twisted around to look like some attack on poor cusa.

Observations Is that the same as comparisons

@Mechanic

It's not Barry!

It's Bazza!

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TheDaddy wrote: @Mechanic It's not Barry! It's Bazza!

Me bad.

@Nameless

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Nameless wrote: @Mechanic I looked over their forums, and found some answers there, but not much regarding their upcoming OS. I apologize if I crossed any etiquette issues mentioning CUSA. I am aware of the animosity many here have towards them, but didn't think it was considered bad etiquette to even bring up their name. So I know for the future, are CUSA topics allowed to be discussed on this forum? Although I understand why people dislike them... and stating it kindly, CUSA's CEO had some customer relation issues he could have handled a lot better, but I wonder if the situation is really so different than when the first AmigaOne was released? Didn't the AmigaOne ship with Linux to start with and it was several years later that OS4 came out? How does the situation with CUSA's planned Amiga machines, shipping with a yet unmade OS (theoretically Amiga-like), differ? Besides the naming rights to the OS, that is.

CUSA COULD be a real bussines, but obviously is at best half of it.
Nice exploit idea. No Commodore, no Amiga, maybe USA.

Its normal PPC board can run Linux (even Blizzard owners have APUS)
even there is 68k Linux. Yes, Terron board were developed BEFORE AmigaOS 4
and boards shipped (which could maybe X1000, SAM etc. do and CUSA does to save on OS expense). BUT real AmigaOS was developed for it, which "cloacking device"
COS 1.x certainly won`t be (and how legal is to clouse source Linux?) and COS 2.x is beyond wildest dreams, marijuana smoking and schizofrenia as for now. COS 1.x isn`t specified and betatested.

Not a hardware, neither software companies big dreams for fools.






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@vox

Umm... hmm... not sure what quite to make of your reply.

What I do have some difficulty understanding and am probably opening myself to get flamed for asking, but why the incredible amount of animosity towards CUSA?

From what I can gather, CUSA's CEO acted like a bit of a jerk towards the community -- I get that part. But I do not understand completely dismissing their prospects for success, especially their C-64 line. And I can understand saying their upcoming 'Amigas' are not true Amigas, but the same could be said for almost any current Amiga solution, including OS4 systems. (Although to me Natami/FPGA solutions are pretty close).

As for the AmigaOne reference I made earlier, I was wondering how the situation then differs when compared to now with CUSA? Each system was released using Linux, neither could claim to be a 'true Amiga'. Unless back then people had animosity towards AmigaOne too? I admit I wasn't so active reading forum posts back then, so don't know.

Just wondering if emotion was taken out of the equation and CUSA handled public relations better, would CUSA be looked upon in a somewhat positive way? They have money, they can afford to pay for advertising, they can pay for at least some original designs (cases), and in theory they can pay for some software development. Was Gateway hated too when they considered using a linux variation for their Amigas?

I guess what I'm asking is, is it the fact that people simply hate CUSA's CEO, or are they so adverse to the idea of a linux core or some new OS on an Amiga system, that they automatically hate anything CUSA related?

@vox

I would say your post is off topic, but I guess people pointing out the number size of
this community by the number of members on this forum isn't really much of a topic anyway.

I do wonder how cusa will handle the millions of members that will be joining their forums.

Best of luck to them.

@Nameless

I'll answer that.

When cusa started promoting their PC a few of their 'supporters' invaded EVERY thread in EVERY
forum spewing out poison against everything we are about.

At that time, despite the pleas of most of the active members, they disrupted every thread.

Someone posted ' What goes around, comes around'. They are still here, still taking pot shots at
what we people are about.

It has come around.

Sad really.

@Nameless

Their low idea big assembly line product will hit the score and bring money at least in first year of their production. Without much creativity, that would be it folks.

Problem is the way they present themselves falsely as Commodore Amiga (more then in C64 which died) and in attitude, yes. I&I have agressive e-mail from CEO, too.

All systems are now boards, but none is x86 with sticker and no AROS.

Linux paralell is untrue, since there is no AmigaOS to follow up.
Linux is there for everything and anyone, but to clouse source small modifications
is such great to contribution to open source library, they again claim to contribute somehow.

Animosity comes purely from their non bussines practices and attitudes, nothing much more needed in human world. Inhumans don`t deserve success.

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Linux paralell is untrue, since there is no AmigaOS to follow up.

I wonder what you would say if Hyperion announced OS5 which wouldn't be based on OS4 or OS3.x?

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Nameless wrote: @vox As for the AmigaOne reference I made earlier, I was wondering how the situation then differs when compared to now with CUSA? Each system was released using Linux, neither could claim to be a 'true Amiga'. Unless back then people had animosity towards AmigaOne too? I admit I wasn't so active reading forum posts back then, so don't know.

Terron board was terrible, bad choice of manufacturer, bute served a purpose as well as now defunct older AmigaOne series.

However, CUSA products are not to be mentioned in Amiga hardware and clones, as they simply aren`t.

AmigaOS 4 was developed to get away from custom chipset (and dead 68k)
as originally commoodre planned. Today OS 4.1 is much more then AmigaInc planed in 2001 (4.2 would be a clean PPC port and add ons to follow)

How can you compare or supreme ordinary PC`s with expensive case and sticker to something developed as hardware for OS4? That is beyond all something we all have and are experienced to set Amiga emulation. Thus target must be quite lame users and promoters ... should shame on themselves.

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How can you compare or supreme ordinary PC`s with expensive case and sticker

Oh how wrong you may end up to be

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WolfToTheMoon wrote: @vox Quote: Linux paralell is untrue, since there is no AmigaOS to follow up. I wonder what you would say if Hyperion announced OS5 which wouldn't be based on OS4 or OS3.x?

Flashback from AmigaInc, your partner.
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amigaosdev1.html

But surely some knowledge would be used. What your moon and wolf forget
is that CUSA has really nothing to do with Amiga, but what has left of Amiga Inc.
And that`s about only thing to hold up to, AIO or all form factors.

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Vox is the lose cannon around here, expecting to be confused before you start reading his posts I find always helps.

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It also helps to understand that there have always been factions. A few years ago it was AmigaOS vs MorphOS, with levels of vitriol that make the current CUSA spat look like a couple of British grannies having tea.

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the red/blue war was nasty. i hated to come to any amiga web site then.

especially after the war is what spawned our many forums (aorg, aw, moo, and amigans)

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@CodeSmith

What is different now is that we have non Amiga fraction pretending to be Amiga, unlike in all previous cases. AROS, MOS and OS 4.x have their paths in preserving Amiga heritage, while CUSA is pure exploit where its fans try to make "loopholes in Universe" to either under rate all existing Amiga projects or make wild plans of their (unrealised) projects future. Also, they don`t pay any attention to dozen of already broken promises (AROS support, A1200 case ...).

Can`t expect unethical bussines and culture of community to go along, major difference from all the others. Nothing to do with blue/red war, in fact it might bring PPC users together.

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@vox

vox get over yourself. if ainc licenced the brand amiga for toothbrushes this would be just as legit. you and me have no bearing on what is amiga and what is not.


To put this in perspective. a fictional woman has 2 kids with the last name of smith. she decides she wants another child so she adopts one at the local orphanage. during the process she has the child's last name legally changed to smith. according to rule of law this child is just as much a smith as the naturally born smith kids. the same applies to this subject. ainc licenced the brand to cusa. cusa now has the "right" to adopt any product into the amiga family. like it or not this is a fact.

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