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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 9-Aug-2011 11:01:32
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my money's in for SUCCESS for our Amiga market and don't give a crap about Microsoft when I'm at home enjoying my future X1000 |
Yeah! Soon, we'll be back to talking about Amiga computing stuff rather than the drama of legal battles, Ainc vs Hyperion, trolls ridiculing and lecturing about how doomed we all are, and misc other crap. Better days on the horizon for camp Amiga!Last edited by jingof on 09-Aug-2011 at 11:14 AM.
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 9-Aug-2011 13:10:41
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 9-Aug-2011 13:59:09
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"For example, I have talked with a lot of people that are exhausted with the virus vulnerabilities of Windows and even Mac."
Virus on mac???. Can you point me to the source?. Of course i'm asking for a virus, not some badly-written malware crap that you would be too much dumb to give your admin password for executing. A virus can replicate and propagate itself using system resources without user intervention.
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 9-Aug-2011 14:23:04
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Virus on mac???. Can you point me to the source? |
I have some mac virus in my ShapeShifter filedisk...
...of course it is not Mac OS X virus. |
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 9-Aug-2011 14:46:42
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| I don't remember the link, but when this topic last came up.. i mean 'viruses on a mac' my conclusions and findings pointed to the fact there have been less than 20 known viruses across all major versions of Mac OS over the last 15-20 years or more.
However, in the computing world there is always room for alternative operating systems. I like many computer enthusiasts of a certain age are not happy with the current cartel. All industries need competitors and the computing landscape has been void of (fair) competition since the early 90s.
It would be great just to be able to walk into a store and have the shop assistant ask you "Which machine do you like?"... and "Which Operating System would you like it to come pre-installed with?" Last edited by djrikki on 09-Aug-2011 at 02:53 PM. Last edited by djrikki on 09-Aug-2011 at 02:53 PM. Last edited by djrikki on 09-Aug-2011 at 02:49 PM. Last edited by djrikki on 09-Aug-2011 at 02:48 PM.
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 8:47:26
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| How many X1000 must be sold to be a succes?
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 9:31:26
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"Beating Microsoft" is something that cannot be done. By Amiga or anyone else.
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Nonsense. It's just a question of time. And depending on how you measure, it's happened already: Apple's market cap is now more than 50% higher than Microsofts.
Look back to the late 90's and that looked inconceivable - Apple looked set for bankruptcy or irrelevance, and Microsoft looked like it'd stay on top for ever. Today, Microsoft is worth well under half of what it was then, and their dominance in many markets are under severe threat - the only place they still rule is on the desktop, and the desktop itself is under severe threat from a combination of smart phones, pads and cheap net books that combined significantly outsell them.
Microsoft doesn't even have a majority of shipments of OS copies anymore, thanks to the above categories.
And more importantly in the long run: Both Apple and Google has almost as much cash on hand as Microsoft has - a situation that nobody would have predicted ten years ago, when Microsoft looked set to amass enough cash to buy a small country. Their capacity for investment is quickly getting to the point where they can significantly outspend Microsoft.
Microsoft may still rule the *desktop*, but they rule only that, and it's a segment that's not growing much compared to other types of computing devices, and is rapidly losing market share.
In that respect they've already lost._________________ Wiki for new/returning Amiga users - Projects: ACE basic compiler / FrexxEd / Git |
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 10:07:41
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How many X1000 must be sold to be a succes? |
I see this is your first post. Welcome
I would say a 1000 units would count as a big success in Amiga land today. Even 300-500 might be interpreted as a big success for the X1000 considering its price. Don't know what they expect though..._________________ - Don't get fooled by my avatar, I'm not like that (anymore, mostly... maybe only sometimes) > Amiga Classic and OS4 developer for OnyxSoft. |
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 10:10:31
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Me getting one is a success :) |
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 10:11:40
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| I´ll buy one when available but I´m really afraid of failure.
OS 4 has Amiga "taste" lol :)
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 10:56:00
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Me getting one is a success :) |
And me getting one is a given
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 11:27:23
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SpanishMan wrote: I´ll buy one when available but I´m really afraid of failure.
OS 4 has Amiga "taste" lol :)
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Naaaa! You have been reading too many posts from the criers and whiners. It is their lot in life to cry and whine about anything and everything. It is what they DO,,,,it is all that they DO.
This is a whole new game that started in Sept. 2009. We, as a community, will move forward in our own directions and celabrate the achivments of others dreams even if their particular goal was not ours.
This party is just getting started, and yes, some of the neighbors are not going to like our music. Too bad for them. |
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 11:45:46
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Wow! you're very convincing, man!
I 'm going to do publicity in spanish forums where I am admin. In facebook too!
World!!!! Here We are!!!!
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 11:56:37
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vidarh wrote: @BrandonLee Quote:
"Beating Microsoft" is something that cannot be done. By Amiga or anyone else.
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Nonsense. It's just a question of time. And depending on how you measure, it's happened already: Apple's market cap is now more than 50% higher than Microsofts. Microsoft doesn't even have a majority of shipments of OS copies anymore, thanks to the above categories. Microsoft may still rule the *desktop*, but they rule only that, and it's a segment |
I thought we were talking about desktops, given there isn't any Amiga[like] on anything but desktop. In that segment, Apple has less than 10% marketshare, Win7 already outsold OSX, and Microsoft has acknowledged "Linux" as a more serious competitor than OSX (Apple is practically non-existent in the server market).
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 14:05:25
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Sounds like fun.
Oh! and aboard. |
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 15:05:51
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| I think 200 to 300 sold (on top of the 100 Beta testers) would be considered a success. Tever has always said he would be happy enough to just break even, and I think these are very realistic number to hit, I think it would be great for OS4 and Amiga users if it passed the 500 mark or more but I think the way of the world is with recessions, money getting a little tight and the likely high price of the X1000 is going to put some people off.
I hope to get one, but I hope I'm not priced out of my limits, if I am I suppose it will be a Sam460.
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 15:49:59
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I believe that that all X1000's made will be sold. Even if it takes a few years . Second generation multicore models either by A-eon or Acube may be less powerful but cheaper. So you have the incentive for power users to buy the X1000 even in a year or two.. The third generation would be faster than or as fast as the X1000.
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 16:02:12
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Microsoft may still rule the *desktop*, but they rule only that, and it's a segment that's not growing much compared to other types of computing devices, and is rapidly losing market share. |
But it's desktops we are talking about. ;)
With their resources, they could easily create something better and that would keep their place. Yet, they seem tied to a startegy that has given them profit over the years. Continuing to do so, it's what I'd call self-destruction.
Their product is not good, but is dominant. People (and companies) resist switching to other OSes for their desktops. I have a concrete example in the place I work, that tried Linux but was sabotaged by the employeesand resorted to WIndows again.
I'm not saying that Microsoft is immortal. I think they are digging their own hole. But being successful doesn't equate to beating them, whatever "beating them" means. |
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 16:05:42
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Getting extra power is crucial on our current situaion, since we're using years old processors, but afterwards, it will not be that vital. Processor speeds seem to have stabilized in recent times, in contrast to when they were doubling their clock speeds almost daily.
Important issues will be, for example, capability to stay with current technology (USB evolution, HD systems,memory SIMMS, etc) and, obviously, pricing. |
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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2 Posted on 10-Aug-2011 16:29:54
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I believe that that all X1000's made will be sold. |
Any idea/guess/estimate how many units are planned?
About beta testers...there will be 100??!??!? That number strikes me as a little too big. |
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