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Deniil715 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:50:55
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@cheesegrate

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so lets sum up up3 shall we>?


Fortunately they were talking about a possible update 4 as well. Looks like we're gonna need one Luckily I'm on PS/2 and will stay PS/2 as long as I can. It simply works much better than USB (on OS4 at least).

(Crossing fingers my own machine will start today. Updated ysterday but didn't reboot yet )

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Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:53:47
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Installed update 3 and pleased to report no problems here on Sam440flex! I was a bit dubious after reading about some of the problems posted on the support forums.

Appreciating the USB2 already and the new boot logo is much smarter!

Thanks to all concerned!

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Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 14:16:33
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@gtmooya

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Installed update 3 and pleased to report no problems here on Sam440flex! I was a bit dubious after reading about some of the problems posted on the support forums.

Appreciating the USB2 already and the new boot logo is much smarter!

same here on my SAM. i've noticed only benefits so far. USB transfer speeds on USB2 storage devices is much, much faster. graphics performance and video playback is noticeably improved. none of my MUI applications show any problems whatever, but i suspect that's because i use a 'default' MUI setup on my machine.

i haven't encountered any of the issues seen by others, which doesn't make much sense, really. i have the same A-EON keyboard/mouse setup that @1Mouse has, but don't have any issues. i really hope everyone can get this sorted out one way or another. with all of the customizations possible on the amiga -- in all its various subcomponents -- regression testing prior to an OS release must be rather difficult.

i'm still very happy with the update; i hope others with issues described herein are able to resolve them soon. the performance benefits alone make this an excellent -- and appreciated -- update.

-- eliyahu

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Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 14:22:17
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And more near is Amiga OS 4.2, save money guys

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Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 14:30:11
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@Deniil715

Wonder is using a PS/2 mouse or keyboard would help?


Ignore this post, I've just checked and there seems to be no PS/2 port on the Sam440 board

Last edited by 1Mouse on 30-Aug-2011 at 02:50 PM.

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Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 15:00:22
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@1Mouse


tonyw posted this over on the official forum - It seems unpacking the archive correctly is essential.

The installation has been designed and tested using UnArc. Don't go "trying" other means and then wailing for help if it doesn't work.

We know what DOES work, so use that in the first instance. If you want to experiment, you can do that later to your heart's content.

To quote para #1 of the ReadMe:

1. Unpacking
------------
It is advisable to use UnArc to unpack the archive. It is mandatory that
the protection bits on the files remain intact. Lha does not do this by
default unless told to but UnArc does. If you haven't used UnArc we strongly
recommend you delete the unpacked archive again and use UnArc.

cheers
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Tomppeli 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 15:47:16
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No problems here either (except one issue on my untested and unsupported A1-SE).

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Xenic 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 16:11:29
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Installed on SAM Flex 800 1GB.
Mouse not working through cheap unpowered USB hub. Works with another USB hub.

Performed quick USB speed test with FAT formatted USB memory stick by copying 15 picture files totaling 58MB using Dopus4.
Copy time with ehci disabled in Kicklayout (USB 1): 70 seconds
Copy time with ehci enabled in Kicklayout (USB 2): 8 seconds
Thats a significant improvement

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eder 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 16:38:00
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@Xenic

WOW! Almost 10 times faster

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mrdarek 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 16:40:22
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After changing keyboard and mouse AmigaOs4upd3 work. I accept developers work even if destroy some compatibility...
Only not working scroll mouse button is big bug in update 3. It's not only worse using web browser - it's also destroying my precious ami-lineapolis software (hints mode). It should be fast repaired!!!

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djrikki 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 16:48:41
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@cheesegrate

"so lets sum up up3 shall we>?

users complaining about keyboard and mice not working
mui update breaking yam and ibrowse, ssolie blames program authors
usb 2 crippled speeds for users , thankfully does not corrupt data anymore
some users complaining about not getting past the splash screen

ssolie the new project manager needs to pull his socks up if os4.2 is ever going to reach a competent standard"

Okay I'll answer the troll. The MUI thing is more to do with the odd user tinkering with MUI preferences rather than the individual applications themselves and even less to do with the OS itself. The OS sets the standard ReActon for GUI objects, MUI is pretty much a third-party component in the same way Java is to Cocoa.

In an ideal world the offending MUI applications would be re-written ReAction compliant, but I cannot see this happening anytime soon. It is more likely we'll be welcoming Timberwolf and Thunderbird rather then saying hello to native YAM and OWB/IBrowse.

As for the USB keyboard/mice issues, I trust this an interim oversight, Steven Solie already mentioned that an Update 4 might be necessary so your not fuelling any fire here.

On a more general note OS updates always bring bugs - I am still annoying myself with Mac OS X Lion and also Safari 5 - its horrendously slow and bugs abound! :(

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Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 17:11:14
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Turned on the system by pressing the 2 mouse button on startup.

The system booted @ 1600x1050. I setup the 1280 x 1024 resolution @ 60 and worked fine.

The system is much more smooter.

Congrats to all involved.

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Hypex 
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Posted on 30-Aug-2011 17:14:28
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@cheesegrate

Actually I tested some MUI apps and OS4 nor the program authors are to blame but a broken MUI installation is. And by broken I mean 68k versions of MUI file were installed!

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Mechanic 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 17:20:05
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@mrdarek
On a Sam440ep.

I had many mouse/Kbd problems until I purchased a set of
THESE
Yes, the scroll works on UP3.

I also have a USB to 3.5 IDE HD

adaptor

that I got working just this morning with a Seagate 80G drive. I have not tried a SATA
drive on this yet.

Transfer from the HD to RAM 78MB takes about 11 sec. where as moving the same
file to RAM from a mem stick takes 9 sec.

From the mem stick to the HD on USB takes about 13 sec..

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Hypex 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 17:23:11
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@djrikki

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Steven Solie already mentioned that an Update 4 might be necessary so your not fuelling any fire here.


No no no! We need the Update 3 Quickfix right now!

And by the way I just tested my joypad and it's still not working. Well it looks like it'a back to Update 1 for me if I want to play games with a joypad

I'm disapponted when things are not working in one update then fixed in the next then broken again after that and now again for me my USB is broken even more! Well my USB1.1 was still broke and my USB2 doesn't work.

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wawa 
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Posted on 30-Aug-2011 17:26:10
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@djrikki

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The MUI thing is more to do with the odd user tinkering with MUI preferences rather than the individual applications themselves and even less to do with the OS itself. The OS sets the standard ReActon for GUI objects, MUI is pretty much a third-party component in the same way Java is to Cocoa.


so plain and simple: users are not supposed to change dafault settings, otherwise risking os instability. besides using third party software even if distributed with said os is not supported and remains solely users risk.

in rare cases, when an application behaviour changes after os update reports and complaints should be directed at the original programmers, tanks.

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mrdarek 
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Posted on 30-Aug-2011 17:37:00
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@Mechanic

Now I have an dell high end keyboard and cheap quoltec mouse. This setup work on sam 460ex(without mouse scroll button). No problem find working devices (it's only money problem buying and testing....). Problem is if you see working devicese in update2 and not working in upd3-. This confusing me...

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royleith 
OS 4.1 Update 3 Released___Oh Noes! Not Working___OK Now
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 17:50:59
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@danwood

A1XE running at 800MHz with Radeon 9250 and 512MB of RAM

I've had this problem before. The new Workbench booted up to an empty AmigaDOS window and would go no further. I restored UD2 by booting into my safety Backup partition and copying the whole backup copy of Workbench UD2, back. I'm not sure the USB mouse and keyboard were working with the new Kickstart and so I used the PS/2 set.

I reinstalled UD3 and did not immediately reboot. I changed KickLayout to re-enable the floppy drive.

The important step was to set the screen to 800 x 600. This allowed Workbench to fully boot. I then saved the mixer prefs to generate a compatible prefs file and put the screen back to its normal resolution.

All now seems to be working well including the USB mouse and keyboard.

Regards
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OldFart 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 18:55:13
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@Deniil715

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It simply works much better than USB (on OS4 at least).

Not only OS4, but even Windows (7) benefits from a PS/2 mouse and K/B.

I've never understood why such slow and simple devices were forced to go the complex USB route. But then again, there much more that I don't understand.

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Deniil715 
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Posted on 30-Aug-2011 20:22:33
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@OldFart

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I've never understood why such slow and simple devices were forced to go the complex USB route. But then again, there much more that I don't understand.


Yes, it's kind of silly. But I suppose it happened for two reasons:
1. Get rid of two ports.
2. Add new abilities like tiny displays in the keyboard, USB hub and stuff like that.

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