@djrikki
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djrikki wrote: Adobe only care about one market, Windows. That'll have to change if they want to survive.

Interesting that you say this, as if it wasn't for the support of Adobe then Apple would most likely have died in the 90s. It was mainly Adobe's software that kept Macs being used in businesses, at the time.

@HenryCase

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HenryCase wrote: It was mainly Adobe's software that kept Macs being used in businesses, at the time.

Which of course, in the world of corporate business run by lawyers and
bean counters, means that Adobe is the perfect target for an iKnife.

@HenryCase

Indeed.

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@HenryCase

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Interesting that you say this, as if it wasn't for the support of Adobe then Apple would most likely have died in the 90s. It was mainly Adobe's software that kept Macs being used in businesses, at the time.

It amazes me how there is no loyalty in this world... what would it cause Apple to allow Flash on their iOS devices... crazy really.

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@QuBe

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cause Apple to allow Flash on their iOS devices

How would they sell those little games for 99 cents if you could get them for free from the Internet?

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@opi

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opi wrote: @QuBe Quote: cause Apple to allow Flash on their iOS devices How would they sell those little games for 99 cents if you could get them for free from the Internet?

Free until their goon squad finds out you have it and sue you for EULA violations.

@opi

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opi wrote: @QuBe Quote: cause Apple to allow Flash on their iOS devices How would they sell those little games for 99 cents if you could get them for free from the Internet?

You know it is not the reason. flash is slow, take a lot of power and battery, most flash site/games require keyboard and mouse. Do you think the end users would blame Apple or Abode for a crap experience?
On App Store a lot of games and apps are completely free and most are very cheap. And on top of that you can make web apps and have your game on a webpage compatible with iOS.

Also the few smartphones/tablet which have flash support have crap performance and many crashes with it. Flash is a joke, at least on mobile platform.

You should thanks Apple for that hard choice imho. Will also benefit for that.

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@ikir

I do agree to and support your opinion 100%

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@kas1e

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About takes ages to load: did you run it from FFS ?

No it from SFS. 5 seconds is acceptaable.

But I just timed it then. It took 35 seconds! That's an OS booting!

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Is anyone today make a 50-100mb partitions still, while there is 1terabytes hdds, then maybe modern apps is not for you :)

I don't have a 1TB HD, as my A1 uses IDE the last one I bought was 160GB. And I can tell you my Internet volume is way over 100MB in size! It's 1GB. But after I installed MUIOWB to it I only had 10MB left! That was my point.

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And that show us that its pretty enough to put libs/classes to archive, and just use them with "PROGDIR:" from code.

Yes, do agree. Though you have made one rather large working example.

@Doobrey

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So now you have a confused end user, wondering why app2 can't open that library when a quick check shows that it exists, and has the right version number!

I understand your point here and good example. A solution would be to use a static link lib if possible. But the best in this situation IMHO is to do things the traditional way. And that is to install a support library to libs if none or an older version is there.

Of course that requires an install and no running out of the box. But the program can be designed so that libs can be found before installing so it works as is.

Avail FLUSH is meant to flush out old libs but user shouldn't need to do that.

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Also what happens when the author of foo.library releases a new version to fix some bugs? Are you suggesting that it's OK to make the average user search through their entire HD to check if any apps they use have an old version in PROGDIR:libs, and then manually replace them ?

No. Shared 3rd party libs should be put in LIBS: if the program is installed permanently.

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What about the authors of programs that use foo.library, do they have to keep checking for new versions and make a new archive each time foo is updated, even though their program hasn't been updated in ages ?

I shouldn't think so. Libraries should be written as upward compatible. So it shouldn't affect the program.

I don't know if AmigaOS flushes a library if a nww version is requested and found om disk.

@umisef

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In other words, bundling foo.library with your program and loading it from PROGDIR:libs/foo.library is a really bad idea!

Yes it would! Unless it was a custom library. Like dopus.library that nothing else uses.

Looking at MakeCD which depends on triton.library it sits in the main dir. Which works as is. After it's installed it gets copied to libs.

So there we have it. The system that works.

This is only a problem mfor programs that should be installed and not drgaged to a location.

@ikir

and cool games/apps/watching movies doesnt take power ? They could use flash configurable for the user to choose if want to use or not. Or just install/deinstall. Today both iphone/ipad are powerfull with double core. I do have flash on my android phone and if i dont like it i dont use it or just deinstall.

Its sure it has more to do then power. If it was power just let user deinstall it. I think its more politics and like opi said... money. Theres alot of flash games avaible on facebook and other pages.

@Kicko

The moment Apple would make Flash optional all those crappy websites would restart useing&demanding it for no good reason.....

Flash sucks&must die !!

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@opi
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How would they sell those little games for 99 cents if you could get them for free from the Internet?

I don't believe that's the reason. Flash was banned before Apple even had an App Store, back when they were touting HTML5 web-apps as the future.

I think the fight started because of Adobe Air on the Mac.

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Last edited by clebin on 08-Sep-2011 at 04:26 PM.

@Hondo

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Hondo wrote: @opi You're right about flash not being something to ignore at the moment, but it cost money to support those formats. Somebody gotta develop a browser capable of showing it perfectly, and to hire a coder to do it would be very expensive. So I understand hyperion not wanting to use money for it.

Firefox"timberwolf" wont do the trick you think? I bet even OWB mui would handle nicely if someone ported the plugin, which sadly is not going to happen.

@Kronos

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Kronos wrote: .... Flash sucks&must die !!

agreed.

@Tomas

Why not?

IBrowse already has one. (Flash plugin.) Doesn't exactly work as well anymore but it's there.

Last edited by Hypex on 09-Sep-2011 at 09:54 AM.

Flash is the single biggest cause of crashes on the Mac.

That's probably why Apple want nothing to do with it.

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@Tomas

Having plugins work in OWB or TimberWolf or anything is easy, really.
The problem is none of the available Flash opensource implementations are good enough to deal properly with Flash 9/10. swfdec (and gnash) works well up to Flash 8, though.

@opi

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How would they sell those little games for 99 cents if you could get them for free from the Internet?

Fair point Opi!

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