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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 24-Oct-2011 19:05:25
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[quote]Intriguing... The cynical side of me would say this announcement is meant to preempt December's MorphOS 3.0 release that includes PowerBook support.[/quote

Of course. Still It's good news/. we'll see wether this announcement is worth its salt q412

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You keep telling yourself that, I know it's important to you.

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Intriguing... The cynical side of me would say this announcement is meant to preempt December's MorphOS 3.0 release that includes PowerBook support.

The cynical side of me says that searching old threads/news on this very site, one discovers that usually happens the exact opposite.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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Excellent project. Congratulations .
Combining entry level price with portability.
Also demonstrating that Hyperion and partners can and will adjust as conditions and opportunities change.

Your confidence and optimism were evident in your IRC chat on Saturday night.
IRC Body language I called it .

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You keep telling yourself that, I know it's important to you.


Funnily enough it isin't , but pointing that out sure felt important to you huh?

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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This is great news. Hopefully the target hardware will get a MOS and AROS port not too long after release, with UAE running as well, all flavours on one box.... come on, let's have some of this....

Affordable too, you might even get a classic user like me putting their hands in their pockets for more than self..... erm, yup.

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Yes, I feel all manly and cool now. It's funny what a little trolling can do to boost your ego.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@cheesegrate

You are missing a bracket on your quote posting.

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@thread

Finally! This makes much more sense to me than other OS4 hardware. $400 takes it into impulse buy territory, particularly if they can manage 800mhz.

I'm intrigued to know about VGA-out. The 8.9" LimePC has it, so I guess this will. I'd like to ask Hyperion if that feature will be supported and what the max resolution would be?

Chris

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@Shufflepuck

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but the LimePC Z9 (which "seems" to be the candidate here, again just conjectures) is reportedly clocked at 800Mhz


it's clocked at 400 MHZ - 800 DMIPS

To be precise 400 MHZ 760 DMIPS.

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@clebin

It has VGA out, yes. You can use it as a nice little OS4 machine with a USB keyboard/mouse and VGA display.

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Zylesea 
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@Zylesea

I can assure you that ACube has absolutely no specific knowledge about this project, let alone the clockfrequence of the CPU.


Well, you can make it short and answer straightly this question: Is the netbook in charge using a 5121e processor. A simple yes or no is verbose enough.

AFAIK there is no other Freescale e300 processor that sports a PowerVR gfx than the 5121e. And that one is maximally clocked at 400MHz. It was intesively tested by bplan/genesi, led to a cooperation between genesi and THTF, but eventually THTF made it alone with the LimePC series. Currently there is other ppc based netbook on the maret.
Plus, it makes me sceptical, that the PR mention mentions this and that. but not crucial details like the clock frequency. Sounds like tehre s something to hide, probably a number that says 400. But an e300/400 is okay, nothing to hide. But only if you stay low price, i.e quiet below of Atom based devices. The list price for the 5121e/400 chip is below 21 US$. You may read the old threads on powerdeveloper.org about it.

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Spirantho 
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@Zylesea

I would imagine the hardware is still subject to change. By releasing specifics, they'd be opening themselves up to criticism when/if specs change (as they usually do).
I'd have done the same thing - vague announcements for now, proper press release nearer the time when it's all finalised.

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Eric_S 
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Nifty project this.

It'll be fun to see what pops out in the end.

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Zylesea 
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It cannot change the cpu specs. The only e300 chip with PowerVR is the 5121e. The only company building powerpc netbooks in recent years is THTF/Lime. Count 1 and 1 together, no big math needed. This is again typical Hyperion marketing at its best. Generate buzz, don't mention critical things.
Why not be honest, would be a nice new feature

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@Zylesea

The art of communicating by Hyperion seems to be rather effective as this thread has already hit page 12.









Which doesn't mean that I would like to read here at what speed the CPU is running and... what kind of battery-life we can expect.

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I'm not giving up MOS or AROS, but if they do produce a way for me to try OS 4 on a netbook, I'd certainly be willing to try it. US$300 to 500 is in my budget for electronic toys. I'd like to the opportunity to see what OS 4 has to offer....

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eliyahu 
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@Zylesea

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It cannot change the cpu specs. The only e300 chip with PowerVR is the 5121e. The only company building powerpc netbooks in recent years is THTF/Lime. Count 1 and 1 together, no big math needed. This is again typical Hyperion marketing at its best. Generate buzz, don't mention critical things.

if we make the assumption that the product in question is indeed based on the limebook z9, and we further assume that it is using a chipset already available, and we yet further assume it is the MPC5121E, then, yes, the clock speed would be 400MHz. now i have actually used this part in a project in the past -- and i'm willing to bet they're not too many people on this board that can make that claim -- so i'd like to chime in amid the sea of speculation and attempts to stir up the usual nonsense:

raw grunt is exactly the same as the efika 5200B offered previously in the morphOS community. graphics performance is much-improved over the 5121E and overall system performance is also improved, due to a better-performing memory subsystem and on-die interconnect. but if anyone is expecting it to be a screamer, then you'd be disappointed. you'll find the equivalent SAM system to be noticeably faster.

that said there are some things unique to this SoC that hyperion can leverage to improve overall performance, the main one being the off-loading of audio processing to the AXE. moreover the power consumption is impressively low, so assuming well-executed power management on the OS side and a modern battery, you're gonna run for a long time before you need to top up.

lastly, and this is the important bit, it's going to cost less than any OS4 system to date and it's portable! seriously, i love how this community works: first we complain there is no hardware, then it's too expensive, then it's too slow, then it's only a desktop, then .... what on earth is wrong with you people? if you don't want it, fine. no skin off my back. but quit with the infantile and transparent attempts to stir up arguments, moaning, bitching, you know, the usual.

i just came from a get-together with nearly one hundred amigans, people who use classic, OS4, AROS, MOS, emulation -- and yet everyone had fun, everyone enjoyed learning about the other platforms, and everyone acted like grown-ups. and now i get back on this damn board, less than one day after the show ended, and this garbage is still here. can you understand why people leave the community?! it isn't because of ralph schmidt or ben hermans or barry altman: it's because of threads like this.

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Why not be honest, would be a nice new feature

hyperion is honest. and they deliver. period. perhaps they don't want to announce specifics because people like you, who have no intention whatsoever of doing anything but trying to tear it apart, will do anything to tear it apart as soon as they do.

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This is great news. Hopefully the target hardware will get a MOS and AROS port not too long after release, with UAE running as well, all flavours on one box.... come on, let's have some of this....


As I stated somewhere else here, there logically will be plans after X1000 ! (Otherwise AmigaOS would die...). One obvious way to go was cheap Hardware... and I guess, if they could manage to get cheap HW out, which is also capable of running MOS/AROS and OS4, it will extent the market, as mainly morphOS Users will jump on board and maybe trying AOS4 as well...

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As I stated somewhere else here, there logically will be plans after X1000 ! (Otherwise AmigaOS would die...). One obvious way to go was cheap Hardware... and I guess, if they could manage to get cheap HW out, which is also capable of running MOS/AROS and OS4, it will extent the market, as mainly morphOS Users will jump on board and maybe trying AOS4 as well...

trevor did mention two new hardware platforms funded by A-EON post-X1000 already in the works. and although no specifics have been mentioned, yes, getting a common hardware platform would be beneficial to all involved.

by the way, a bunch of the OS4 machines at amiwest had ibatch installed.

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