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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 13:52:40
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If its that Dave, it'll just give us endless repeats of Top Gear and lots of advertising... Still, it could at least use that to back up a claim to being the best netbook...
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 14:13:53
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Thanks for the table. 5121e is the only one that fits, and unless something new happens within next year (double speed same prices, new Lime nettop) it seems we will have to deal with 400Mhz (now I am a bit sad I voted 800Mhz on this subjected, if that is not possible) _________________ Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way! |
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 14:17:01
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Current listed price is even below $23 for 10k orders. Anyway, speak with Freescale - the prices aren't set into stone. That's called trade and negotiation. Thing is, the netbook in charge is from an OEM (say MTC/THTF), so the one to trade and negotiate with in case of this netbook is that OEM, not Freescale. _________________ My programs: via.bckrs.de MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001) |
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 14:24:07
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 15:24:03
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 16:18:27
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BTW, Hammer, is there data about Cortex A15 expected TDP(I guess, depending on the fabrication process)?
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Thanks for the table. 5121e is the only one that fits, and unless something new happens within next year (double speed same prices, new Lime nettop) it seems we will have to deal with 400Mhz (now I am a bit sad I voted 800Mhz on this subjected, if that is not possible) |
I think a lower price is better than higher clock frequency. And a 800 MHz netbook could also do serious damage to Acube SAM sales(especially if there will indeed be a rerun of 440s). _________________
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 17:20:32
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 17:29:11
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Just notised that limePC z9 specs hint that it can record 720p video and play back 1080p video ...? Must require heavy GPU utilization??? |
It has a dedicated multimedia coprocessor. I guess it will have to be supported under OS4 to ensure the same level of performance
edit:typoLast edited by WolfToTheMoon on 25-Oct-2011 at 05:33 PM.
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 17:32:25
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 18:58:24
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I think a lower price is better than higher clock frequency. And a 800 MHz netbook could also do serious damage to Acube SAM sales(especially if there will indeed be a rerun of 440s). |
Quite doubt it (there will be 440 re-run), seems like 440 has dropped down to 500eur when and if avail of last stock (Vesalia out of stock, Amikit don`t sell it anymore), seems Acube focus moves on a bit more expensive but far more usable SAM 460, especialy once RadeonHD drivers are out.
To be honest, there is no AmigaOne 500 on sale on both (or X1000 First Encouters pre sale), but SAM 460ex is on sale at Vesalia.
Its a raggy and rocky road with these PPC boards today. So such mass produced nettop would be a blessing even there. If everything works fine - yes, lower price is better._________________ Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way! |
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 19:01:52
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Just notised that limePC z9 specs hint that it can record 720p video and play back 1080p video ...? Must require heavy GPU utilization??? It has a dedicated multimedia coprocessor. I guess it will have to be supported under OS4 to ensure the same level of performance |
Yes, that would be great. So far AmigaOS 4 has been as fast or even a bit faster then Debian on same hardware. Hope with PowerVR specific gfx optimization that can be achieved once again, making that laptop very usable. And since it has a webcam, some webcam and Skype kind of software would be expected. PowerSaving? Timberwolf polished by that time? Just like SAM460 (RadeonHD) and X1000 (XMOS bridge, SMP, pushing 2GB and 512MB VRAM limit) will push AmigaOS to certain improvements
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 20:51:04
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 21:18:48
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@all It really is as simple as that. There is nothing to hide. There is no conspiracy. There is no special timing to coincide with the phase of the moon. |
Even if there was all you would need to do is fire up your copy of The Digital Universe to make sure of the dates |
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 26-Oct-2011 3:13:18
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hey, that's actually a great use of a netbook. digital universe is probably my favorite amiga-only application, and having it portable -- combined with a red filter -- means i can use it for skygazing.
sweet.
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 26-Oct-2011 8:43:32
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None of this hardware is relevant though. It doesn't matter how powerful or efficient it is, we don't have access to it.
This netbook is to get bums on seats.
To do that they need something off the shelf, both for cost and time reasons. I don't know what the final spec is going to be, or what other options there will be further down the road but it's certain that they will go with the one that will make the most sense.
If the target hardware is 400Mhz and if it only cost a little extra to put in an 800Mhz part in then they would. If it doesn't happen it's because the sums don't add up. Hyperion want to sell as many as they can, if they can do 800Mhz models at the targeted price then they will.
At the proposed price points these netbooks should grow the market. That will give Hyperion more revenue to pay wages and speed development. It will also grow the user base to make software development worthwhile for others.
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Secondly "if" it did have a high MHz CPU it would be more expensive and have a shorter battery life.
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The statement would be false i.e. 1. it depends on implementation hence the examples. 2. "CPU" wasn't explicitly defined as "PowerPC" or PPC.
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 26-Oct-2011 8:47:53
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 27-Oct-2011 1:34:20
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It is 100% not a rumour. It runs AmigaOS already and drivers are still in development. |
Cool! I think this will push the Amiga back onto the edge of existence as far as the rest of the world is concerned. At least there is a chance!
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 27-Oct-2011 3:45:52
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I just hate it when I'm blasting butterflies with my shotgun and one falls in my coffee...
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 27-Oct-2011 8:12:15
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WolfToTheMoon wrote: I love Hammer's posts
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BTW, Hammer, is there data about Cortex A15 expected TDP(I guess, depending on the fabrication process)?
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I haven't looked up ARM Cortex A15.
If AOS4 netbook cost $300 USD, there's high probability that I'll buy the (for hobby) regardless if product has 400Mhz or 800Mhz CPU.
My netbook/laptop purchases out-number my desktop PCs. I ussually bring my gaming laptop (MS VS 2010 dev/MS Office 2010/vmware) and tablet PC (MS Office 2010) with me.
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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012? Posted on 27-Oct-2011 10:49:30
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It seems okej, and the netbook is gona be more powerful than the Efika |
In the gfx side that's unlikely since Efika has a real Radeon gfx card and the netbook will have weaker powerVR based gfx. Moreover, CGX manages gfx ram better than picasso96 and 3d is weaker on OS4 so you can't expect the same gfx performance.
the rest will probably be better, specially thanks to the extra ram and better I/O
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I think, no problem listen to musik, surf the web, watching movies and some other more lightweight stuff |
surfing the web and watching movies is not lightweight due to heavy javascript use and high resolutions used.
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