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sundown 
Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
Posted on 2-Feb-2012 5:44:02
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@realize

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I tell you so you can live in reality not fantasy land. You think I want to tell you this? Its based on fact.

Man was told he would never fly, I'm sure that was considered "fact" at the time. There are many ways to skin a cat & many forms of "SMP", don't be so sure they don't come up with some way of using both cores. Your version of SMP may never happen, doesn't mean Hyperion's version won't.

Also, SMP was never promised to be part of the 4.2 initial release. That feature has a long ways to go, but the intention was to try to add it to 4.2 at some point.

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
Posted on 2-Feb-2012 6:11:54
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@sundown

I don't know how many different forms of SMP there are, but I know that there are more ways to support some kind of dual core support that are not called SMP.

I also am not sure that it was SMP that has been proposed or promised for OS4.x, but simply some kind of Dual Core support at some time in the future. Even that might not be promised, but simply hoped for and being looked into to determine feasibility. It could always be put on the road map and then later removed if it was found to be counter productive to implement.

This is all speculation, so I will just wait for official announcements from Hyperion and Steve Solie.

@thread,

If any of you have direct quotes that shed light on this, please provide them. Otherwise, please do not antagonize people with statements that are INTENDED to bait other members into rash statements or hurt feelings. That is trolling (when not worded more carefully as your own private opinion, and sometimes even when worded as an opinion).

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@realize
EDIT: Ah, never mind. On the grand scale of things it wasn't even worth bringing up.

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@amigadave Quote:
If any of you have direct quotes that shed light on this, please provide them.

I'll do better than a direct quote, I'll provide a direct link to something posted bv Steven Solie:
http://www.amigans.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1270

It mentions SMP. It also gives no timeline, which should not surprise anyone.


P.S. I will be in favour of moderating ANYONE who categorically says that something controversial (on this site) is "impossible" or "fantasy", as this can be inflamatory. On the other hand, if someone adds "I think" or "I believe" or an explanation(*) (and does not use the word "fact" without having proof), then I don't think there should be a problem. Everyone is allowed to think what they want, as long as they are polite.

(* = saying that someone else says it is impossible is NOT an explanation, unless you give their explanation.)

EDIT: Added some minor clarifications, since some people are apparently unable understand context or intention.

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So please think carefully before you post.

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
Posted on 2-Feb-2012 14:17:54
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@ChrisH

I think that SMP on AOS is impossible, a fantasy if you wish.

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BillE 
Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@ChrisH

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P.S. I will be in favour of moderating ANYONE who categorically says that something is "impossible" or "fantasy",



Ah, but would that actually be possible

BTW Congrats on your new moderator status.

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itix 
Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@ChrisH

SMP is not impossible. There are many operating systems with full SMP support. Proper SMP on Amiga is impossible without breaking compatibility.

In proper SMP implementations when one core is handling interrupt it should not suspend other cores. Amiga OS API guarantees other cores are stopped when serving interrupts.

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@itix

but maybe even if not perfect this could be a trade off smp solution without breaking compatibility?

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@ChrisH

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I will be in favour of moderating ANYONE who categorically says that something is "impossible"

spot on.
many things are impossible whatever you think of it. like i will never be a child again. not in this life. will that cost me a ban today?

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If something is impossible then impossible is something possible there for everything is possible.

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@wawa

Perhaps. Only time will tell.

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote:
P.S. I will be in favour of moderating ANYONE who categorically says that something is "impossible" or "fantasy", as this can be inflamatory.


It seems as if someone here does not like the same type of books as I do.

Burning books, Ideas or facts is a nice beginning.

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@persia

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I like the name Woot! X1000. I'm just surprised no one had trademarked it.


I claim copyright!

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ChrisH 
Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@wawa Quote:
many things are impossible whatever you think of it. like i will never be a child again. not in this life. will that cost me a ban today?

Don't be silly. You are taking my post out of context. But for clarification:

I was talking about *controversial* topics, which are by their nature likely to upset people. Talking in "absolutes" (e.g. "absolute not possible" without any caveats or explanation) is likely to upset people.

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
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@djrikki Quote:
If something is impossible then impossible is something possible there for everything is possible.

As what you wrote was not about a controversial subject, there is no problem. Although it comes VERY close to being both Off Topic & Spam. However, I have a sense of humour, so no harm done in this case.

@itix Quote:
Proper SMP on Amiga is impossible without breaking compatibility.

In proper SMP implementations when one core is handling interrupt it should not suspend other cores. Amiga OS API guarantees other cores are stopped when serving interrupts.

As you gave an actual explanation for why you think something is impossible (which was what I was hoping for when said someone needs to say "I think"), I find this acceptable. Particularly since it was said very politely. So thumbs up from me.

I suspect that your stated problem is actually not a real problem (if handled correctly) but I need more time to consider it in more detail (I may know OS theory, but I'm not exactly experienced in writing an OS!). Perhaps someone else has an idea how it could be handled?

@all
I have amended my earlier post to be clearer, since some people apparently have a hard time understand context or intention. But please note that if anyone HAD broken (what I intended with) my request, then I would not have been nearly so tolerant. Going against moderator requests (in public) has NEVER been acceptable behaviour (it is a TOS violation), even if those requests may seem unreasonable to you personally. Please use PMs if you disagree with what a moderator has asked you to do.

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Posted on 3-Feb-2012 12:35:51
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@ChrisH

After reading all your latest posts, with all that long long and boring bolded phrases, i think it was wrong choice to make you moderator. Maybe will be better if you will ban me right now, as i for sure will annoy you all the time (expectually now, when you are moderator).

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Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
Posted on 3-Feb-2012 12:40:01
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@kas1e

Completely unnecessary and off-topic post, I suggest you keep on-topic instead.

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kas1e 
Re: Woot! X1000 shipping out Monday
Posted on 3-Feb-2012 12:40:35
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@zerohero

please ban me. i tired from amiga stuff, just can't go myself. And as for completely uncessary and offtopic posts, i somehow found all the last posts from crhish are offtopic and unecessary.

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Posted on 3-Feb-2012 12:46:50
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@kas1e

you are so right, alas.. now we have moderators to discuss their moderation in public but not accept answers. i knew it all along..

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@wawa

But please note that if anyone HAD broken (what I intended with) my request, then I would not have been nearly so tolerant.
:)) Omg !

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