@redfox


It seems that the Sobjs info stay in memory until a reboot.
So reboot then install. or reboot then delete the CurrentUserProfile directory of Timberwolf.

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redfox wrote: @all Would someone be able to tell me how I can get rid of every file associated with Timberwolf so that I can be absolutely sure that a fresh install is infact a fresh install. I just spent a tedious time unarchiving a "fresh" copy of Timberwolf onto my SD card only to find that this new copy of Timberwolf "remembered" that I have changed my home page to an html file containing my bookmarks from the previous time I used Timberwolf earlier this evening. Is there a prefs file or config file stored somewhere else in the system that is loaded each time I run Timberwolf ? I could understand if it was storing stuff in my User-Startup file, but it is not. --- redfox

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@Spectre660

Thanks. That problem is solved now. Still can't do anything with bookmarks, so I have copied over a short bookmarks.html file from one of the other browsers and using it as my homepage for Timberwolf.

That's all for now. Thanks for your patience and help.

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redfox

@Slayer

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Quote: Like Fab did help the OWB MUI port to OS4 ? Didn't I say it was an Agenda?

Yep, you got me. My hidden agenda is to get as much software on as much amiga-like systems as possible.

greets,
Staf.

@bitman

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do you expect them to hand out the entire project, before the bounty is even completed

When I would do it I likely would put the source code on my gitorious account so everybody can follow progress. To me that's the natural way to work with open source code and the way to increase the open source community.
I can only regret this thinking seems to be alien to the amiga community.

greets,
Staf.

@Xenic

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Click Bookmarks Move down to Bookmark this Page, then While that is highlighted (blue) hit enter [...] just tried it and it does nothing.

Same here. I may end up resorting to your trick of setting my home page to file:///bookmarks.html.

I had bookmarks working fine on my A1. But now my A1 doesn't work, and I discovered today that I had never got around to doing much with TW on my SAM460. So I set up a home page, installed DownloadHelper, and tried to do bookmarks. When I couldn't do that, I came back to this thread to see what others had done, and saw a suggestion to remove profiles. I wish I wasn't so dumb!

Going to address a few questions (sorry for being late with answering).

- File systems and bookmarks

I tested bookmarks saving on FFS, and it worked for me. I heard several reports of working bookmarks on SFS, and several of non-working bookmarks on SFS, so I am not sure if it's a problem with the file system. I'll investigate that.

If push comes to shove, you can assign the CurrentUser: to any disk, it doesn't have to be in the TW directory. You will probably need to change the startup script "Timberwolf".


- Compositing for hardware acceleration

Yes, that's the idea for later, plus the OpenGL acceleration that will come with Mesa/Gallium


- Locked file (@xenic)

It uses a central functionality for all file access. If there's a bug in there, it would affect all files opened. I'll check it out, thanks for the pointer.


- Source code

(@ Fats)

Assume what you want. I don't have any gripes with other AmigaOS like systems, quite frankly, they do not interest me. My interest is OS4. We also never said that we wouldn't make the source code available at one point.

However, I also know the hatred some of the other "camps" have towards us (me and my brother in particular). If I open source the code now, the first thing that would happen is that some dork would post on moobunny what a dork I am and that I'm an insult to every code monkey in the world.

In addition, we owe it to the many people that donated for the OS4 version that they will get an OS4 version.

If you also consider how many hours we spent on it (it's several hundreds of hours), I find it insulting to accuse us of being Anti-Amiga-Community. Trust me when I tell you that even though the bounty is nearly 6000 Euro right now, it does not even come close to "paying" the amount of time we spent on it.

Open source development is alien to the amiga community ? Well, when we started the gcc port ages ago, we invited people of the other camps to join in creating a joint compiler for all systems. No one gave a damn.

Personally, I stopped giving a damn about other systems since the days they accused me of bum-humping fleecy and started uploading pictures of gay porn with the faces exchanged against some OS4 supporters and developers. It stopped when they didn't leave out any opportunity to slander me and others, calling me names, spreading lies and all that. Yes, it was a select few that did that. But put yourself into my position and then we'll talk again.


@ all

Great, now after so many pages of on-topic discussion it turns into a flame war again. I wonder how long it will take until someone writes to the Mozilla Foundation and accuses us of violating the MPL, as some people did with the Free Software Foundation (which in turn confirmed that we were proceeding correctly).

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@Fats

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I disagree

As if I care whether you agree or not.

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The only valid reason to not make the changes public to the open source code you use is to make it much harder to port the same code to other amiga-like systems and thus I find it anti the amiga-community.

That is not a valid reason, and in fact has little to do with reality. It doesn't matter what you think or imagine is the reason, and plainly, I do not care in the least what you find anti the "Amiga Community", if such a thing still exists.

Most of all, it does not "make it much harder to port the same code to other Amiga-like systems". It doesn't actually affect them AT ALL. Someone wanting to port it to AROS will have to face the same challenges as we do. The matter of fact that Timberwolf source code is or is not available will not make an AROS port and more difficult as it is now.

Sure, if we would open up the source code it would make it EASIER for you, but not opening up the source code does not make it HARDER.

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You are entitled to make that decision but at least admit that you do it in the hope that Timberwolf will only be available for OS4.

www.mozilla.org. Go there, and download the source code, and port it yourself. Problem solved. See? Was that so hard?

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The fact that you don't have and know MOS or AROS is irrelevant.

Quite the contrary. I do not have any idea about MOS or AROS, and therefore some of the decisions we make with Timberwolf might already have a negative impact on the portability.. Example: The pop-ups use Tool windows. That are windows that will not be activated when you click on them. It was the easiest way to implement these. Does AROS or MorphOS have anything like it? I don't know. So, instead of going for some common denominator, we went with the tech we have available.

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May I contact you guys to see if I can use part of your code to port Firefox to AROS ?

You see, the beauty of this statement is that nobody actually did. Nobody contacted us and asked whether we would consider. The first ever thing I read about Timberwolf in conjunction with any non-OS4 system was the usual mud slinging. Talk about positive attitude. The second one was "they only do it for the money".

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Like Fab did help the OWB MUI port to OS4 ?

Nice bait. Maybe you should leave other people out of this.

Right now, we're trying to get Timberwolf finished. Nothing more, nothing less. There are a number of people that have donated to the project, under the regulations set forth on AmigaBounty.net. Once these conditions are satisfied, we might talk about sharing the source code with others. That might or might not include other Amiga-like OSes.

You could have saved your snoddy attitude and contacted me or Thom by E-Mail first. As it is now, I would not consider a public statement like yours any more than a flame bait. As I said above, feel free to contact us after Timberwolf is finished, but I'd prefer to get a less hostile and less suggestive query.

If you mean serious, we can talk.

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@terminills

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They can keep it closed source and are not required to release the source to files not covered by the MPL(ie any newly created files). However they are obligated to release any changes they made to the original firefox source since they released a binary.

I am fully aware of this, and I guess so is Itix, and we're ready to comply with the license. I do wonder why people keep bringing this up, because so far, we haven't received a single query for the source code, so I do not see the reason for slapping this in everybody's face all the time.

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@EntilZha @Rogue

Thanks for posting in this thread.

What you have to know: A lot of people is really deeply greatful for the great work yo do.

I appreciate what you do an how you do it.

But you also know how this forum works. Writing about flame-war and so on (like
EntilZha did) - is only adding fuel to the fire.

The best is: Just ignore the flame war. It's part of this forum and it will probably be forever.

But don't forget all the users who enjoy playing around with timberwolf and having fun thanks to your effort.

Thanks a lot

Birbo

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@Birbo

Defending oneself against bullshit is adding fuel to the fire ? Right.

@ all

Goodbye, it was a good time while it lasted. You won't see me again.

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@terminills

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edit:I would have done it previously via email but alas it's hard to find an email address.

Complete and utter bullshit. My email address is all over the place, on the website, here on my profile, very visible.

If you didn't find it so far, you are either blind, or a liar, or an idiot. Take your pick.

Please contact me by Email so we can make arrangements. We have every intention to comply with the license.

@all

That's it. It seems to me that doing something in this "Community" is never good enough. Well, so be it.

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@EntilZha

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Open source development is alien to the amiga community ? Well, when we started the gcc port ages ago, we invited people of the other camps to join in creating a joint compiler for all systems. No one gave a damn.

Interesting.
Could this attemp be repeated? Time, sometimes, can change people's attitude.

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@Rogue

The problems is that it several Communities trying to appear as one.

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Rogue wrote: @all That's it. It seems to me that doing something in this "Community" is never good enough. Well, so be it.

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@EntilZha

No, I'm sorry - didn't want that. You can write whatever you want to.

The part (from your post) I was writing about was:

"Great, now after so many pages of on-topic discussion it turns into a flame war again. I wonder how long it will take until someone writes to the Mozilla Foundation and accuses us of violating the MPL, as some people did with the Free Software Foundation (which in turn confirmed that we were proceeding correctly)."

My opinion about this is: You can bring some people to strange ideas. Some (like me) dont know anything about this topic. But now...

But hey - that's only my opinion. Nothing personal. No attac.

If my post was the reason you won't write any more here, then I am really sorry. Makes me feel bad... somehow...

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@EntilZha

It kind of shames me that we called Amigans are so cheap.
This bounty should be in the 15,000-20,000 euro range .

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EntilZha wrote: - Source code (@ Fats) In addition, we owe it to the many people that donated for the OS4 version that they will get an OS4 version. If you also consider how many hours we spent on it (it's several hundreds of hours), I find it insulting to accuse us of being Anti-Amiga-Community. Trust me when I tell you that even though the bounty is nearly 6000 Euro right now, it does not even come close to "paying" the amount of time we spent on it. .

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@Rogue

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hat's it. It seems to me that doing something in this "Community" is never good enough. Well, so be it.

As i told in a previuos post, i had mixed feelings about Timberwolf. I was happy hearing of this port first, then i become unhappy. Now i'm sure that you and your brother have done a very good work, considering that is an huge project that requires time and sacrifice. I'm also sure that Timberwolf will improve more and more with time.
So, thank you.

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@terminills

why do we need just the very same stuff on all amigalike platforms? does mos need firefox? will aros need it as soon as it gets proper owb? os4 needed a browser alternative at the time the bounty has been set up. so mos owb was ported and now timberwolf seem to arrive at last. but i dont think it is so important just for everybody to have it. and effectively even if sources would be handed out i dont think anybody would seriously pic up that task. especially that aros differs in so mandy respects from os4 just tu mentio the gui toolkit and absence of so. objects..


@Rogue
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@terminills Quote: edit:I would have done it previously via email but alas it's hard to find an email address. Complete and utter bullshit. My email address is all over the place, on the website, here on my profile, very visible. If you didn't find it so far, you are either blind, or a liar, or an idiot. Take your pick. Please contact me by Email so we can make arrangements. We have every intention to comply with the license.

i dont really see a justification for such a nasty name calling. it should actually be reported unregarded whoever does it. nevertheless i consider it a huge overreaction even if it is probably just a result of an inner tensio that have been building up for long.

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@Spectre660

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This bounty should be in the 15,000-20,000 euro range .

assuming there was even 1000 active os4 users everybody would have to invest 200eur into the browser to reach that amount. since 500 users is a more likely figure then i rather expect that you would need to pay 400eur to get it. nevertheless i dont understand what witholds you personally to step up and commit such a sum. give others an example to follow instead to complain.

@EntilZha

Gayporn? Really? Wow, didn't know that there where such low-lifes in this community. No, noone should tollerate that. You know what they say, what you claim other to be are often more true to themselves. Just don't care, they're not worth it.

Anyway I like the port, the GUI feals snappy but awkward (no I can't spell it haha). I did find two files written at the root of my SYS: partition, why? Timerwolf is installed in the Internet folder on the SYS: partition. Why does it write files there? I use SFS 1.