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amigasociety 
Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
Posted on 22-Feb-2012 0:46:11
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Just curious if OWB-MUI for Amiga OS 4.1 is still being updated and maybe some new features to come one day, like say HTML5 and YouTube video playback?

I am really liking OWB-MUI as I am getting more used to Amiga OS.

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Re: Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
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Well thats a good question. When the community and devs piss off the guy who was leading the charge (kas1e) on it kind of hard to get motivated??

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Re: Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
Posted on 22-Feb-2012 2:19:12
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@realize

One mans work in any directlion isn' t the end all be all, people burn there bridges for whatever rocks there boat in the end though you have to look in the mirror and take responsibility.

I don't actually use MUI-OWB personally or MPlayer-MUI for that matter for one thing I'd rather wait for native AmigaOS applications to evolve if necessary, I mean what's the hurry? and I have a feeling it's not going to be much longer before these particular ports with there underlying agenda are superceded even for there base of users.

The only people who seem to whine and want everything are that faction of end users that just want want want and actually don't deserve anything... if you understand my meaning...

Like I keep saying it doesn't matter if you create the wheel several times just make sure your wheel is better than the rest... It might be the light or the angle but I think AmigaOSs wheel is rounder than the rest LOL

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Re: Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
Posted on 22-Feb-2012 2:57:20
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@amigasociety

It already supports lots of HTML5 features, you know. HTML5 isn't just about video and audio.

@Slayer

Really weird thing to read... So are you saying these OWB and MPlayer versions aren't native, UH? :)
And next you'll tell me Firefox looks more amigaish with its totally generic toolkit, too, UH? :)
And what about this "underlying agenda", exactly?

I'd be really curious to know your definition of "native" and "better", too. :)

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Re: Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
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@Fab

Both MuI-OWB and Mui-Mplayer are nice programs.
They should not become BlackmailWare though.
I would not mind if a donation of contribution or bounty were asked for and would be willing
to give something towards future development on all Amiga platforms.

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Re: Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
Posted on 22-Feb-2012 4:27:37
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@Thread,

I must be "Out of the Loop" on this topic, as I don't understand 90% of anything in most of these responses to the original question.

"BlackmailWare"?

"underlying agenda" of a software product?

OWB-MUI (or MUI-OWB?) not a "native" OS4.x program?

Someone please enlighten me regarding this silliness.

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Re: Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
Posted on 22-Feb-2012 6:39:49
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lol you should be used to "silliness" here.. with threads about SMP, PS3 ports, amiga comeback in retail, etc etc etc

yeah that OWB MUI and MUI Mplayer are not os4 native was very confounded logic even for fanboys!

but hey the guy has 2 X1000s so I guess you are entitled to say anything in that case

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You might ask kas1e about this - he ported Fab's browser to OS4.x.

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Posted on 22-Feb-2012 7:27:57
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So the "Magic User Interface" suddenly isn't native to Amiga anymore ...

Why don't you just say you don't want to see a browsing alternative that smells a little "MorphOS" on OS4.1 now that Timberwolf has arrived.
Maybe you also can try to tell people Ibrowse isn't native because it wasn't originally written with OS4 in mind...

Silliness , well I couldn't find a better definition.

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Re: Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
Posted on 22-Feb-2012 7:28:11
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@realize

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but hey the guy has 2 X1000s so I guess you are entitled to say anything in that case


lol, that actually gave me a good laugh, fair comment too

In regards to the questions raised I'm not going to elaborate simply because I don't want to get into it. I guess you need to read between the lines. I do apologise for not being specific enough or perhaps being too vague.

Lets just say at the time I had a lapse of better judgement and actually bothered to pass comment.

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Re: Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
Posted on 22-Feb-2012 9:24:32
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Just curious if OWB-MUI for Amiga OS 4.1 is still being updated and maybe some new features to come one day,


Currently we think about making a bounty for making new version of muiowb with some new stuff, just do not know how much to ask, 1,2 o 3k.

But of course, if you want to keep motivation up, you are welcome to make a donation to me even without bounty here .

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Posted on 22-Feb-2012 9:31:00
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What about that code merge? Maybe that could be a start..?

What I mostly want to see is an updated webkit, because the current one, which is what, 2 years old?, is annoyingly buggy sometimes. And there are the same bugs in both OWB versions on OS4.

I now have a sucking win7 machine so maybe if you uploaded the entire package, including cygwin, I could build it myself and debug that multi-threaded resolver crap that has been holding us back for halv a year...

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Re: Is OWB-MUI still being updated for Amiga OS 4.1.x ?
Posted on 22-Feb-2012 9:40:22
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What about that code merge? Maybe that could be a start..?


Yeah, once we will setup a bounty and it will reach necessary summ, we can do all the stuff. I just remember how hard all of this was, so making that all for free its not interesting.

@all

Got the first donation, from the "birboc" user - thank you! He are first and only one currently.

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Posted on 22-Feb-2012 9:51:54
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Currently we think about making a bounty for making new version of muiowb with some new stuff, just do not know how much to ask, 1,2 o 3k.


Good idea if the community can raise $1500 in two days for dj nick's machine we sure should be able to fund a more recent bug fixed mui owb.. if it could be sync'd to Fab's morphos current version.

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I do apologise for not being specific enough or perhaps being too vague.


and the hits keep on coming!

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Posted on 22-Feb-2012 10:04:18
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@kas1e

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Currently we think

Who's "we"? Daniel, Thore, Fabien and you?

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Posted on 22-Feb-2012 10:07:07
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Slayer wrote:
@realize

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but hey the guy has 2 X1000s so I guess you are entitled to say anything in that case


lol, that actually gave me a good laugh, fair comment too

In regards to the questions raised I'm not going to elaborate simply because I don't want to get into it. I guess you need to read between the lines. I do apologise for not being specific enough or perhaps being too vague.

Lets just say at the time I had a lapse of better judgement and actually bothered to pass comment.


Not what I would consider an explanation, or an apology for the attempt at implicating something, but I guess we will have to be satisfied with just an apology for not being specific and an admission of "lapse of better judgment".

I agree that it might be better to let this part of the topic die, rather than go into details, as I doubt the discussion would be productive, or turn out well for anyone.

@kas1e,

I think you will see many more donations, once the scope of the work to be completed in order for the bounty to be satisfied and paid out has been defined, so people will know what they are donating to get exactly.

I will donate to such a bounty, if it will bring the OS4.x version of OWB-MUI up to par with Fab's Odyssey browser for MorphOS2.x, which I think is an excellent browser.

It may be a long time before Timberwolf is completely finished and it is unknown if it will be better than Odyssey is currently on MorphOS2.x? That is not meant as a negative comment toward Timberwolf in any way, just an observation of the facts as I currently know them.

When more information regarding Timberwolf is released, I can make further evaluations. I like Odyssey on MorphOS very much, but would have to make a closer comparison to decide if I like it as well, or better than Firefox that I use most often on MacOSX, but that is version 3.6.27, and not version 4 of Firefox, which Timberwolf is based on, so I can't say yet which one I will prefer, until I have used both of them a lot more, after Timberwolf is finished, or at least further along it's path toward being finished. (what a badly written, run-on sentence that was)

Anyway, let us all know when the bounty is defined and set up, so I can donate to it. My preference would be that the definition include that the OS4.x version of OWB-MUI be sync'ed to Fab's Odyssey for MorphOS2.x, as realize suggested. So that both programs were virtually the same thing with all the same features and functions, so that the user experience would be the same when using either of them.

Edit: @realize, better to let this one go away, than to press for anything more. Don't you think?

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@kas1e

Donated.

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Posted on 22-Feb-2012 11:56:45
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@kas1e

Bounty? Why not...but think twice the amount of cash you want to be saved up. FF/TW has famous name, it was rather easy to have over 5000 euro donated....and there was no fully featured browser by then plus transfered old donations from Amizilla project. Remember?
So my proposition is, divide bounty into small parts and setup smaller steps.


Will donate for sure...

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@realize

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When the community and devs piss off the guy who was leading the charge (kas1e) on it kind of hard to get motivated??


How to make a normal question in a perfect flame thread ... no good

@kas1e
How about opening a public thread about donations/bounty, for the massive effect you know

@Deniil715

Yep, great to see you motivated !
I already asked kas1e about that, as we don't have (yet?) the latest source from Fab we can atleast merge the new code directy from WebKit .. this might solve many interim issue and at the same time keep OWB mantained and always uptodate

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