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Belxjander 
Re: Perception IME + Polymorph VM bounties...
Posted on 13-Apr-2012 16:42:58
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@kas1e

Well if you keep insisting on that... you are free to believe such, your opinion is yours, If you wish to misrepresent what I have said in the past I will let it all stand for itself,

As for this ad-hominem attack about my not paying anything?

I will ask the one anonymous volunteer if he is willing to state publicly about this and would you quit harassing me afterwards from confirmation?

As for anyone else helping, it is up to who wants to help to choose to do so...

You have read the code for yourself, can you point to any particular detailed errors in it?

Or are you saying it is junk because it does not use your own style?

You have taken the floor and attacked me, please... I am willing to listen all day long if you need such time to explain?

And as far as requirements... programming for Amiga OS 4.x does require access to a machine that can run that OS right?

What is the problem with asking for help and showing results in exchange for that help?

I have not said anything about making anything more than suggestions and has any of the information I have presented been inaccurate or misleading in some way?

Would you attack any other project that is openly developed during the beginnings of it being written?

Please continue... even your negative feedback shows there is still life and passion in this community and I wish you equal success in your own projects

Thank you for your time in reviewing what is there

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Belxjander 
Re: Perception IME + Polymorph VM bounties...
Posted on 13-Apr-2012 16:48:24
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@kas1e

You insist I am lying about having troubles dealing with cross-compilation?

I am directly working towards building for Amiga OS *4* ... not *3*... and have had prior issues with the UAE variants along with AMIthlon,

I have also shared scsreenshots displaying AMIthlon in a QEMU Virtual Machine that I tried to work with as well.

If you do not stop, take a breath and ask questions, then of course you will not get anywhere with insisting I am lying.

WinUAE/P-UAE and AMIthlon are all Amiga OS *3* based systems...
I have no problems with writing a library for AmigaOS 3.x

I am asking for feedback with the code for adapting to Amiga OS *4*... or are you deliberately ignoring details presented? honestly I can't tell if you are or not. only you can answer that one.

And does it help to swear or use abusive language?

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wawa 
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Posted on 13-Apr-2012 17:33:15
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@Belxjander

you dont need an os4 machine to compile os4 stuff. if fact you are better off not compiling on os4 i think. a fully setup crosscompiler like this:
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/
will be faster and more dependable. im not a programmer and have 0 coding abilities nor am i going to be, but i have compiled stuff for 68k amiga and also few times for os4 using that tool with very little help. the only thing where you need a native machine is when it comes to testing and bug fixes, but you would have to have some actual code first except of library templates.

if you dont even know about crosscompilers then its too late fro you, im afraid. but please go on with your soap, i relly enjoy it every other day.

Last edited by wawa on 13-Apr-2012 at 05:35 PM.

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wawa 
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Posted on 13-Apr-2012 17:48:00
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@Belxjander
love that:
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have had prior issues with the UAE

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Belxjander 
Re: Perception IME + Polymorph VM bounties...
Posted on 13-Apr-2012 17:49:10
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@wawa

Using Cross-Compilers... I do know about this... in fact I did ask zerohero for help in finding out why using his was not working properly for me when he had the time.

But please explain... Needing a machine that I am compiling for to test, but NOT to compile?

You are stating that a cross-compiler is easy to setup then?
And that I actually need Windows to do so?

Am I actually reading that right or am I missing something?

And as for the comment about "soap"... well... if you consider real life the equal of a TV show!?!?

It does take all kinds

I've learned that "common sense" is an oxymoron

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Hisoka999 
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Posted on 13-Apr-2012 18:02:03
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@Belxjander

I looked at all your projects at google code. None of them are working at all or have at least some real code. All Amiga projects are stubs. The AppEngine project is the same and the "AbH Software LLC" does not seam to exist at all.

Do you really want to fool us that bad? Sorry I do not buy your excuses.


Is there any project out there that is actually working?

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wawa 
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Posted on 13-Apr-2012 18:03:13
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@Belxjander
oh, then you actually even know about zeroheros backends. good for you. as for other questions i see you are actually smart enough to find out for yourself.


edit: typo and even some more of

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Belxjander 
Re: Perception IME + Polymorph VM bounties...
Posted on 13-Apr-2012 18:27:53
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@Hisoka999

Sorry?, what excuses...

Is there specific code errors that you can see then?

Or am I getting all these negative responses for some other reason?

Did I in any way represent these projects as completed? they are not "completed" in any sense,

Because I clearly get the impression I have missed something important here...

I have *started* checking code in for these projects, I have yet to compile any of it,
Is anyone here going to comment on the code itself as it is?
Or simply attack me for sharing *all* of the development as it is entered?

Did I upset someones applecart?
And have I missed any questions? ... I've given out my Email address, you can comment about the code itself as well...

How is actively showing the development a mis-representation?
Is asking for feedback on the code that is there wasting peoples time?

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Belxjander 
Re: Perception IME + Polymorph VM bounties...
Posted on 15-Apr-2012 19:40:06
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@all

yes, another update... the code is available for personal use only under the MPL1.1 at this time,
if anyone wants to check it out and actually use it for their own purposes you are more than welcome...

Yes I know I'm slow to enter everything... who is in a rush?

Any messages pointing out a file and line with an error (doesn't have to have any details either)
will be appreciated.

Some changes have been made for use of REG() from the OS4 SDK and this may break on other OS variants...
This will need further build attempts to find out.

Thanks everyone as per usual for any feedback at all... glad to see it is interesting to various people for different reasons.

If anyone has any detail questions they want answered... I am willing to answer as best I can,

I honestly can say I have no concept of time, so anyone insisting on a timeline... sorry... I'm just working on these for my own reasons.

Hopefully it is useful as either a good or bad example... every small piece helps right?

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KimmoK 
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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 6:54:42
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@Belxjander

"every small piece helps"

Right.

@thread

People radiate their mood around.
Being positive grows the positive spirit around ýou.
Being negative grows the negativity around you (and towards you).

Be positive and get more (anything) done.
Be negative and you loose some of your own strength and get less done.

If one wants good things to happen, be positive.
And give only contructive feedback and suggestions.

etc...

UPDATE:

I recommend people to learn of how they can become more productive.
Recently I got access to the material that Brian Tracy has gathered. It really makes you think different!
http://www.briantracy.com/

For most of the people in the world, the negativity is holding them back from their happiness and success in their life. NEGATIVITY is your biggest enemy.

(having positive attitude does not prevent people from being realists as well. If you can master both, nothing can stop you.)

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Belxjander 
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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 8:32:05
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@KimmoK

Thank you, I will keep working on both Perception-IME and Polymorph-VM and get done what I can,

@all

If there are any issues with the code, please feel free to point them out so I can improve it

Anything else? if not I'll get back to working through the notes I have made and code from them.

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opi 
Re: Perception IME + Polymorph VM bounties...
Posted on 16-Apr-2012 8:32:48
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From: Poland

@KimmoK

Quote:
Being negative grows the negativity around you (and towards you).


No, being con-artist will do that. Sorry, have you people no memories of last 10 years? Really? You forgot Amy'05, Pandas, PoverVixxens, Dragons, the IDE software, the games, everything?

He's going to give advices about SMP to AmigaOS team once we get him a single core Sam? What sense does it makes?

If you're superb programmer who can write VM that will somehow enable AmigaOS to run WINE or project SMP on single core/single thread machine you should swim in money.

Quote:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -- Carl Sagan (ALL HAIL TO SAGAN!)


For me to buy his story there needs to be hard evidences. Production ready code, white papers he wrote, commits to well regarded FOSS project.

Forum posts is not an evidence of anything.

EDIT: I'll quote your blogpost:

Quote:
One idea is to impliment a full "Virtual Machine" along the lines of Bochs or PC-Task,while another idea is to use a "Wine" styled Operating System Simulation with CPU Emulation.

a Smalltalk Virtual Machine is planned as one open source template example to use with polymorph.library to run the Squeak and OpenCobalt Smalltalk Machine images.

one of the considerations of this project would be the possibility to deliberately write
an application that VMach locks particular tasks of its operation for pushing out across a luster of machines keeping the front-end limited and recovering those threads on other machines after the original host machine is shutdown and restarted after some time.

another idea is to make a language specific runtime such as Java, J#, F#, C# or Python possibly ruby as well... this lends itself as an expansion on how "Wine" with a CPU Emulator would work.


I know nothing about low-level programming and yet I can't see how one project can cover:

* CPU emulation
* Wrappers around alien OS calls into native OS calls
* Byte-code compiled programming languages
* Compiled languages with a runtime env.

I don't get it.

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KimmoK 
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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 8:53:50
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@opi

For numerous times you have shown your negativity.
Be aware, it's holding you back.

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Belxjander 
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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 9:00:16
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From: Chiba prefecture Japan

@opi

Well I can only apologize that what I have posted is not clearer for you.

I also do not remember stating anything about the community paying for me outright, only giving help as you feel appropriate.

And my interest has never been about money which is possibly part of the reason why I don't swim in money as you suggest I should be...

Whats the point of money other than being a promised exchange of value?
I've only ever seen people obsessed with it get into trouble.

Even your feedback of questioning everything is appreciated. Thank you.

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opi 
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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 9:02:49
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@KimmoK

Quote:
For numerous times you have shown your negativity.


What the hell are you talking about? This is me being skeptical about claims without proof. You know, the way this world suppouse to work?

EDIT: did my "negativity" made X1000 late? Amy'05 being hoax? PoverVixxen's manual to never be printed out? Amiga, Inc starting cupon-scam?

The Emperor's New Clothes has a nice moral story to it.

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kas1e 
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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 9:22:44
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@kimmok

I have a question for you: can you detect (in real world) when someone logical, adequate and _can_ do good stuff, and when someone unlogicl, unadequate, and only talks, but do nothing ?

If you can't, i do not know what else to say. If you can, about what kind of negativity you say ? Look, read all what other ones say, check what those ones who can code say, and then make a real decission.

Sure, its easy just go and discuss now one more ublelivable idea of 100 cpu cores for amigaos4 tm,c,r as you like most of the time wtih amigablitter, but sometime is better to find out the strengh to wake up.

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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 9:37:07
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wawa 
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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 10:04:20
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@resle

Quote:

Recently I got access to the material that Brian Tracy has gathered. It really makes you think different!

now that explains a lot!

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Arko 
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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 11:02:02
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I couldn't find Belxjander’s paypal account; if I can pay anonymously I will send him a Euro because of all the entertainment he is generating.

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Posted on 16-Apr-2012 11:16:35
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@Arko

Belxjander@gmail.com is the address I use for Email and Paypal...
Up to you if you donate or not...

Please be sure and Thank you for the consideration.

I am only listing "Anonymous (??)" entries on the DONORS wiki page for each donation where I don't get a specific statement of permission to list a proper name.
And the only record of donations is my paypal account records and a paper listing I have.

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