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pavlor 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Oct-2016 23:21:23
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@wawa

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they have been overrun by demand, i think thats a very evidence of success.


Evidence of poorly executed management of the entire project. Such demand was expected by Gunnar et co!

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afaik, they have a fpu, it has been disabled temporarily


Like second CPU core on the X5000?

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everybody can check the facts. call it living in a bubble


What looks geeky for you is mundane for others. I find FPGA CPU card with framebuffer quite boring in comparison to technical master piece like Blizzard603e/BVision combination, but that is my reality bubble.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 21-Oct-2016 23:22:33
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this is the only sensible justification in my eyes.


What original design? As far as we know, there is no other board comparable to Nemo.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 0:18:37
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Evidence of poorly executed management of the entire project. Such demand was expected by Gunnar et co!


as if there were projects that are managed better in comparison. the demand currently exceeds the delivery capacities. thats a good sign. no vendor is obliged to saturate the demand at all, especially in an instant. id rather be concerned with os4 hardware, like tabor situation , if not with x5k after x1k is discontinued. funny enough, even so used x1k occurs to be hard to sell.

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Like second CPU core on the X5000?


wanna check with me again which support is going to be delivered first, when it happens?

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What looks geeky for you is mundane for others. I find FPGA CPU card with framebuffer quite boring in comparison to technical master piece like Blizzard603e/BVision combination, but that is my reality bubble.


its fine with me, even if in practical comparison with vampire ppc cards for amiga are hardly justified. except the scsi interface so far. i own one.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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What original design? As far as we know, there is no other board comparable to Nemo.


assuming there already was a reference design in the drawer not worth to be redesigned. it would have explained this debacle rationally. what it doesnt explain is including these parts in further designs.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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What original design? As far as we know, there is no other board comparable to Nemo.


The board perhaps, but Xorro support was integrated by Varisys using XMOS tech was it not?

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 8:56:50
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@wawa

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the demand currently exceeds the delivery capacities


I repeat, they expected such demand, they only never imagined scope of this task.

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like tabor situation


Funny to mention this. After experince with the X1000 (customers waiting for delivery), A-EON pre-purchased enough boards to supply expected demand.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 9:01:16
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@wawa

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assuming there already was a reference design in the drawer not worth to be redesigned.


Assumptions worth nothing. We have no real evidence Nemo is based on other reference design.

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what it doesnt explain is including these parts in further designs.


Consistency? Hope someone will use it after all? Minimal cost to add?

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The board perhaps, but Xorro support was integrated by Varisys using XMOS tech was it not?


Entire board was integrated by Varisys...

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 12:41:35
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@pavlor

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I repeat, they expected such demand, they only never imagined scope of this task.


you are putting your statements in their mouth. according to gunnar they didnt. they expected a low hundreds figure for a600 model. its now over 800. simply ask them on irc if you dont believe it.

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Funny to mention this. After experince with the X1000 (customers waiting for delivery), A-EON pre-purchased enough boards to supply expected demand.


so have kipper commissioned a batch of pre built boards.

one way or the other, the certain aura of anarchy and spontaneity around this project only makes it more credible and sympathetic for me. thats probably something you would refer to as "geek" usually. im not so fond of that this is a closed approach for most of the part, but i realize, that it might be advantageous in that case. especially that core designers deliver a steady progress.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 13:01:36
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you are putting your statements in their mouth.


I will not disclose my source, but I stand behind my comment.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 16:34:37
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@pavlor

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I will not disclose my source, but I stand behind my comment.


you know, simply ask them, "disclosing sources" or not may be relevant with os4, conspiracy theories or actual espionage, but here we are dealing with apparently straight forward and open minded amiga fans. doing real work. nothing you can build artificial tension upon ;). yeah. its boring, i know..

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 20:11:11
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@pavlor

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Entire board was integrated by Varisys...


And clearly they were doing the implementation based on a specification.

Which means, the Xorro support was either added for its potential or included because of a requirement.

Either way, if the original $1.2M deal in 2010 is accurate, the Xorro portion of the project was likely a very limited portion of the budget or software support would have been available long ago.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 21:30:55
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the Xorro portion of the project was likely a very limited portion of the budget or software support would have been available long ago.


Most of the software support was worked out by @lylehaze and some others. Why a few things were never integrated into the kernel I don't know. They could have been a download option for those interested to play with.

The main problem was and is hardware support. In fact the whole computer lacks hardware support. So the geeks with soldering irons and imagination never got a chance to use either, not their fault. BUT, I hear you can have 3D bubbles on the Workbench.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 22:28:24
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@Signal

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The main problem was and is hardware support.


I was starting to think that all of this was just anecdotal, but from what I understand, the X5000 includes a Xorro slot as well?

Perhaps Trevor will chime in and advise on status.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 22:32:16
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@pavlor

the comparation with Trevor D. is a little unfair because Trevor D. obviously has more money to play with. Vampire project was a project from fans for fans at a minimum financial risk.

If you complain about speed of vampire, yes it is slower than Tabor or X5000. But it is very interesting for amigans, a kind of "what could have been", obviously people want to beat history (even if that does not work )and want to feel young again. I doubt that such emotions can be created by PPC hardware, be it Tabor or X5000.

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OlafS25 wrote:

If you complain about speed of vampire, yes it is slower than Tabor or X5000. But it is very interesting for amigans, a kind of "what could have been", obviously people want to beat history (even if that does not work )and want to feel young again. I doubt that such emotions can be created by PPC hardware, be it Tabor or X5000.

The "what could have been" game is also true for OS4 and MorphOS and AROS. If C= wouldn't have gone under who really knows which direction Amiga would have gone?
A living on standard hardware like those ppc boards or x64 would have been a possibility for Amiga, too.

But let me add: I also think the Vampire project is the cooler and better development than Tabor or X5000.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 22-Oct-2016 23:07:43
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Yes of course... if Amiga would have survived it would be very different today, propably like Apple based on standard hardware like Intel. But amiga so to say freezed 1994 so for most people a journey to what could have been based on 68k is much more interesting than another standard hardware with just a different processor. And that is how certainly most people see PPC. I remember reading announcements about AAA chipset and A5000 in old magazines. Vampire makes that real and offers a successor to 68060 that never was developed. It is a kind of journey what would have been if both Motorola and Commodore would have survived and developed new products. That makes it interesting for us above 40s because everyone certainly thought what could and should have happened. PPC is not able to tell the same story (at least from my view).

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kyle 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 23-Oct-2016 8:04:46
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@TrevorDick

Why do you not contact Loriano and start the production of Tabor official case?







By the way, this is the X500 Evo case, the Plus variant was the one without the mechanical keyboard

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Posted on 23-Oct-2016 9:01:25
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@OlafS25

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That makes it interesting for us above 40s


Now, I understand... Im simply too young for the Vampire.

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Posted on 23-Oct-2016 9:03:01
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@kyle

Please, no, not only this case. I was never fan of A500/1200 style case. A1000 or A3000 case are so nice!

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Posted on 23-Oct-2016 10:11:29
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It is a kind of journey what would have been if both Motorola and Commodore would have survived and developed new products.


Neither Commodore or Motorola were interested in continuing the 68k Amiga platform. HP-RISC was chosen by Commodore and Motorola chose PPC development over a successor of the 060. AGA modes weren't even compatible with the AAA chipset! Commodore just wasn't viewing the Amiga as a platform or ecosystem but simply a widget to flog until it was replaced by the next one! No Ranger chip development, no DSP version of the A3000+ and no update of Paula or chunky modes in AGA = no Amiga vision or roadmap from Commodore.

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