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Re: Commdore USA.. the final thread
Posted on 28-Mar-2013 10:32:33
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@Yo

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As requested.... BROWNIES!!!!


Glad we have moved to more positive (off)topics ...

While C-USA is gone for (no) good, ending another "Rise and fall saga"
and their FB, Twitter and website are silent, wait until liquidated in fullest.

And who knows, maybe some of the actual customers would actualy one day share
their experience on CommodoreOS Beta or "their" hardware.

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Re: Commdore USA.. the final thread
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@vox

Its interesting to see AmiByte Italy has a working website
http://en.amibyte.com/

They seem to deliver some C64x machines still
and what is interesting offer AMD boxes
as mid C64x model
as well as as only and high end Amiga Mini

As long as there are cases ...

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Re: Commdore USA.. the final thread
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@thread

Commodore OS Vision

Quote:
Welcome To The New Site for Commodore OS


#6

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@vox


hrmm?


http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/235419

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@number6

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Commodore OS Vision

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Welcome To The New Site for Commodore OS


#6


That was a 32bit respin done by a 3rd party. Nothing to do with cusa as they only had a 64bit version.

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@number6

Quote:
Commodore OS Vision Quote: Welcome To The New Site for Commodore OS


- Update messes it up
- Even it claims to be v1.32 CommodoreOS 64-bit, now gone, was and is beta
- It nulls 64 bit buzzword
- Seems to be 32 bit version of CommodoreOS Beta, and not an milestone update
or promised Fusion (still based on Mint 10), whereby it inherits incompatibility
with quite a lot of hardware
- Torrent download doesnt work

In short, nothing new there, apart from downgrade to 32 bit (and 2GB limit). And it doesnt look like a renewal, but slow death. I do remember this 32 bit version presented long ago, just not being official.

What I dont get is how sincere CBM and Amiga lovers get to work for C=USA. Their choice. But it seems even Aussie is gone. All links at DistroWatch are dead.

And again buzzwords without meaning related to offered Linux distro (see description)

Quote:
Commodore computers were well known for their unique operating environments.


@terminills


On being "heartless whatever" I am not. Barry could have a change to improve
at least his communication and business skills, if he lived some more.
At current situation he can be remembered by his own excellence and successes.

Reason why this last C=USA news was published in "C=USA bright moments"
is because that is website section dedicated to C=USA, and its not intended
to offend anyone. You can see "bright moments" have "". And these moments
were really "bright" - most of them.

Shows how trollish moo bunnies are - especially emulating
other users is funny

Quote:
ReOk ok I fixy my mistake already. Vox. @anticusaforever!.


Blog is rendered done except by some big trial or resurrection news.
or might become just AmigaOS positive news one - but there are far more developed wesbites
in this way. Overall, It served its purpose
of informing people of mistakes and communication errors C=USA has done
in past as well as what Amiga is today, beside stickers on PC cases.

Wise men learn from experience, not repeating it again

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@number6

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Commodore OS Vision


Beware, my AntiVirus says there is virus threat on this page.

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@vox

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Reason why this last C=USA news was published in "C=USA bright moments" is because that is website section dedicated to C=USA, and its not intended to offend anyone. You can see "bright moments" have "". And these moments were really "bright" - most of them.



I can't say I believe your excuse.

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@terminills

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I can't say I believe your excuse.


You are free not to. I try to be decent human being not using
even bad language. What has really driven me to make that blog
is simply aggressiveness of Barry, Leo and few personnas to promote
their imagined supermacy, insult community and me personally.

Blog is titled "Rise and fall of CommodoreUSA" and that is what
happened. "Bright moments" are different episodes in C=USA existence
and this is sad, but end likely to be end of it. It could end in just financial fiasco.

If you would believe I have somehow influenced the events,
then it would not be wise to oppose me

Other real Amiga developments will continue.

My valuable lesson is to be stronger and not fall to such traps anymore.
There will always be people trying to exploit something, and in the end
they will rise and fall in their own merits and deeds.

However, C=USA can be a valuable lesson how NOT to run business
in few ways including communication with community. In its very
beginnings I was constructive and tried to see how we could unite.

Its not unprovoked hate just because, it is a result of their campaign,
just counter propaganda.
I tried to fight it with personal style of humor and information. Its excersise
in blogging, not the best - but a devotion of little time to resist big company propaganda.
It would be way better if there arent far more important things to do in life.

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If you like, I could easily remove you from that list.
I was really angry at existence of troll division that really used to spam You Tube and Amiga boards
with "Commodore is back" and such stuff, I dont really recall why I have put you in equal level with those personas - now I realize you kind of equally criticize everyone. And I hope you do help AROS development, unlike C=USA

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@pavlor

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Beware, my AntiVirus says there is virus threat on this page.


If I may joke - next evolutionary step of "The Vision" is "The Virus"

A recent revival of Workench V thread (where CommodoreOS was supposed to pretend to be WB5)
has made me remember some glory notes:

Quote:
I'm perfectly aware of what Commodore USA is doing and I like it...

Wolf To The Moon

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Amiga community must be the most stupid community who are in the world.

Linnar

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Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand. It is definitely stronger than the Workbench name also.


In C=USA forums explaining name change from Workbench V to CommodoreOS

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@thread

The main/corporate site, linked to prior in this thread now seems to be down.

It's not just you! http://commodoreusa.net looks down from here.

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@CritAnime

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That's odd considering Amibyte still seems to be selling machines. So there must be some sort of life going on unless it's simply stock dumping to whoever will buy it.


The description of the company is odd as well.

Quote:
Amibyte.com is a new Commodore Store that sells a new generation of hardware and computers by Commodore, as authorized seller in Italy. We are excited to bring the Commodore 64 as an All-in-One keyboard computer suitable for modern use. A new modern Commodore Amiga 500 version will be issued as soon, always looking All-in-One, and a notebooks series of  Commodore Amiga, adding a desktop AMIGA line with the latest technology. All computers Commodore also share the eye-catching, advanced and stable operating system "CommodoreOS", the new free operating system is pre-loaded with dozens of productivity and creativity applications with the best of the software that the "open source " world has to offer. Featuring dozens of exciting 3D games, the latest web browsing technology, a Microsoft Word compatible Office Suite, with advanced graphics manipulation programs, 3D ray-tracing software, advanced software development tools and languages, photo, audio and video editing and music software programs and much more. We offer a computer " Beautiful, high-performance computer suitable for home, for your creativity and your imagination."


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@number6

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A new modern Commodore Amiga 500 version will be issued as soon, always looking All-in-One, and a notebooks series of Commodore Amiga


Certainly, these will remain a distant dream now and is taken from CUSA PR division.
Unless they are thinking of Daddys case and OS4 netbook

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@vox

OS4 netbook can't be viewed as anything more than a distant dream at this stage.

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CUSA had stated that they had no intention of making a replica 500 or 1200 case at any point while they were still operating. It smells like either pr bull in order to flog cases by CUSA or even pr bull by amibyte to make it sound like they had more products on the way than actually existed.

Who knows the site has poor English all over it. Maybe the owner of Amibyte simply got confused somewhere. Because on their Facebook page they also claim to be a partner. Even though I am sure in the ccc agreement it claims that this in now constitutes a partnership agreement.

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@vox

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I don`t understand law enough to know whether such licence can be transfered to 3rd party. Even stranger C=USA seems to be the only one that ever got licence from Amiga Inc tech licencing.


I responded to the C= licensing in post #37, and we've now seen someone else enter that fray with another filing (Leadgate). But I seem to have overlooked your second comment.

As of today, I've still not heard anything remotely stated as fact regarding the ability to sublicense the Amiga end.

I suppose one could get a clue if they tried to license "Amiga" from Amiga Inc. again. Either a statement that they no longer are able to do so, or a non response might speak volumes.

Quote:
Even stranger C=USA seems to be the only one that ever got licence from Amiga Inc tech licencing.


If you remember your history, after Amiga Inc. "surprised" CUSA with their estate attorney licensing "Amiga" to IContain, a new agreement was drafted afterwards.

Quote:
On Dec 22, 2011 Commodore USA, LLC and Amiga Inc. signed a new contract granting us EXCLUSIVE WORLDWIDE rights to ALL format computers branded with the Amiga trademark IP. These registered trademarked logos include the BOING Ball, TIC/Check mark, letter A and the word AMIGA logos. Form factors include, but are not limited to Desktop, HTPC, Tower AIO/ Keyboard etc. This contract will run through Dec 31, 2018, with optional renewals. Additionally we have been granted the right to enforce the Amiga trademark IP, in instances where we feel the trademark property has been either used in an unauthorized manner or in a form not allowed under current international and US law. We look forward to releasing our initial Commodore Amiga branded computers beginning by the end of the first quarter 2012.


I realize you didn't trust much of what was said, but the above would explain "why" no further public "Amiga" licensing appeared, no?

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I've got one of their C64 semi-clones running Windows 8 in my office. Not a bad piece of kit actually. It's perfect machine for Windows 8.

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@persia


Troll... You're supposed to say it's the biggest piece of trash you've ever used. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. :P

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@number6

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I realize you didn't trust much of what was said, but the above would explain "why" no further public "Amiga" licensing appeared, no?


Well since Barry and co constantly bragged and showed off their exclusivity (we can make Amiga anything we want it to be or so) no, it perfectly explains why no one after, but my realistic question why no one got licence of smaller extend (naming product Amiga something) before.
Several people said they have tried but go no answer.

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If you remember your history, after Amiga Inc. "surprised" CUSA with their estate attorney licensing "Amiga" to IContain, a new agreement was drafted afterwards.


Well, I remember iContain stopping selling anything and everything with Amiga name very soon. Even they had much fairer pricing then C=USA

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I've got one of their C64 semi-clones running Windows 8 in my office. Not a bad piece of kit actually. It's perfect machine for Windows 8.


surely cherry keyboard is great, Win8 license did not came with machine ... and you do know what kind of AMD based PC you could buy for same money - making that perfect even more perfectier

Save it for the ebay sale one day, it might reach nostalgia value one day!

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@vox

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but my realistic question why no one got licence of smaller extend (naming product Amiga something) before.


2011 - the reworked license agreement with Barry & CUSA.

2010 - the original license agreement with Barry & CUSA.

2006 (triggered)-2009 - Nothing was going to happen during this time in a public way.

And prior to that it's something called "we know a lawsuit is coming eventually, we just don't know the exact date yet", which also means little effort was going to be put into a project without knowing whom would benefit from it.

Hope that helps.

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