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Re: Commdore USA.. the final thread
Posted on 25-Apr-2013 9:17:05
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@number6

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And prior to that it's something called "we know a lawsuit is coming eventually, we just don't know the exact date yet", which also means little effort was going to be put into a project without knowing whom would benefit from it. Hope that helps.


Thank you for the recapitulation.

Hope that AmigaHistory or Free Amiga (or some third Amiga history website) will get updated with proper information on subject, since its already in the past, even being most recent "Amiga" development, apart from X1000.

For me, it was a not-so-nice try to put Amiga (and Commodore) name to "retro recycle mania" which mostly indicates state where IT industry has been without many fresh ideas (and not only IT) and plays on nostalgia factor.

CommodoreOS and C64x users are however quickly left without any support, and overall this indicates what most of us suspected - unprofessional start-up business.

Hope some important lessons on how business should and shouldn't be done can be drawn from this episode.

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Re: Commdore USA.. the final thread
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CommodoreOS and C64x users are however quickly left without any support, and overall this indicates what most of us suspected - unprofessional start-up business.


It's bad for anyone who lost their warranty if their hardware fails, but loss of support of CommodoreOS doesn't really matter. It's not like C-OS would have been a selling point for anyone, and if it was somehow important, they can just copy the backgrounds over to the latest Mint release.

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It's bad for anyone who lost their warranty if their hardware fails, but loss of support of CommodoreOS doesn't really matter. It's not like C-OS would have been a selling point for anyone, and if it was somehow important, they can just copy the backgrounds over to the latest Mint release.


Latest Mint releases are way advanced over Mint 10 based C=OS Beta 9.

I agree it wasnt full new distro, but skinned Mint 10 without much agreement
with Mint makers. but my impression is that it was most appealing side.

Sadly, they never developed any new software to contribute the GPL tool,
so when my Linux friends said "OK they abuse Amiga name, but they have
licence for it, my reply was: yes, but they kind of more abuse Mint with no licence for it"

However, just because its based on older Linux and GNOME2 its blazingly fast, but
sadly does not work that easily with all hardware (unlike newer Mints).
However, they really tried to jampack it with software and it was a nice try to get the
wider audience beside those who would pay insane C64x and so on prices.

However, promised full Amiga compatibility never materialized, but they intended
to (ab)use AROS KS files. Scrudges

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Re: Commdore USA.. the final thread
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Regarding the Amibyte site in Italy.
We know one Amiga.org user had posted that he had sent an email of inquiry as to availability of product. No response in the thread as of yet.

However, I noticed this on Lemon from a few days ago:

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Even the Ami site in Italy has removed all of the products from their store.


Can you confirm this?

source

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Re: Commdore USA.. the final thread
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The http://en.amibyte.com store is still showing stuff has been in stock but shows no actual stock levels. However you have to consider that this is a sub domain on Amibyte.com which is just a shell after it was hacked. So you have to wonder if the en.amibyte.com site is even still been maintained.

The old site, before the hack, showed stock levels. Which weren't that great if I am honest. Something like 5 per case. Make your own conclusions from that because I wasn't even convinced on those levels.

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@CritAnime

Thanks. I didn't know about the hack.

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Re: Commdore USA.. the final thread
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@CritAnime

As mentioned in post #103 this thread:

Commodore OS Vision

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Welcome ToáThe New Site foráCommodore OS


Dead link. Site reported closed May 7, 2013.

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http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=886616&postcount=54

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No not using it no more its don't going to updated. Site has been closed..


The site kept been reported as malware. So browsers were blocking it. Looks like he has ditched the project too. But I did wonder what the point was.

Well I wondered what the point was in CUSA doing it to be honest. A bloated, outdated system wasn't going to win long term hearts and minds. Yes people were going to flock to it initially with the wow factor, but the bugs in the system were just tremendous. Then they had their own update system that run conflicting updates against the base systems own updater. If it was me I would have just dumped a OEM version of Ubuntu on there and put a script in to install some themes and left it at that.

But thats just me.

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@CritAnime

Regardless, since CommodoreUSA just tweeted (gawd, can't believe I'm saying that) about Amibyte again and qualified them as their only partner in Italy, one has to wonder if there are more.

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Don't worry about it #6. I know your just diging around for juicy info :)

That same thing popped up on facebook too. I beleive the Amibyte guy also basically confirmed that once this final shipment comes thats it for cases.

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Don't worry about it #6. I know your just diging around for juicy info :)


I don't want -you- to worry either, but I already finished my digging. I'm just in finger tapping mode now. Heh.

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We know you never stop looking for info ;) That why we usually count on you to dig something up when others get stuck :)

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I think it's more about having a different set of questions.

For example:by discussing amibyte and giving links and using your additional info, we've determined there was a custom configurator program, right? It may end when stock is exhausted, but that's not the point.

Once you accept that one of the CommodoreUSA announcements about deals made in the past was not a farce, you have to look at the other things stated a bit more closely, imo.

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There was never any doubt that it wasn't there. The doubt came from how many would actually take advantage of it. Based on information from CUSA's own forums before they were defunct there was one person doing due diligence. However this person was not from Italy but was a US independent. From what was seen nothing more came from this. Then, randomly, Amibyte appeared and it was discovered that it was a guy who mainly rented holiday homes. However Amibyte was never formally known about until a random forum member posted a link.

But this is the only bit of factual information we know about the CCC program. Nothing more was ever heard from it all.

As for other announcements. I am still waiting to hear what the massive shift in pc tech was they promised. Or the Commodore has a new daddy announcement. Plus I remember plenty of other announcements that never got a definitive answer. But 2 hours sleep because of teething baby does make it difficult to remember every individual fact ;)

Just because one out of many has been somewhat proven, again we don't know how many actually did take advantage, doesn't mean everything suddenly has became true. :)

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Regardless, since CommodoreUSA just tweeted (gawd, can't believe I'm saying that) about Amibyte again and qualified them as their only partner in Italy, one has to wonder if there are more.


Ah, necrophilia

Last way back machine shot says they listed only AmiByte on web site, so much of agreements take over the world
http://web.archive.org/web/20130115132111/http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Dealers.aspx

But what is interesting is AmiByte offering of AMD based systems, something CUSA failed.

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Hmm, maybe AmiByte, whoever he is, will be taking over from C+USA?

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Hmm, maybe AmiByte, whoever he is, will be taking over from C+USA?


There are only ashes to take over

Its not that strange custom theft program allowed "partners" to customize hardware and support for C-OS was nicely thrown into their own hands.

Now, why buying overpriced hardware from a company that cant deliver
guarantee with beta Linux that has ceased to develop?

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@vox

On side note: while CUSA dysfunction is tied to Barries (sudden?) death,
overall if it was a healthy business model it would continue to grow,
and would not should down immediately resulting in suppliers court case.

Besically its asembling PCs and shipping them, while development of an Linux distro
without real developers support (in this case Mint team) seems to be way too much
to handle, as it never reached more then beta 9.

So it seems while idea seemed good as Amiga / Commodore name exploit to resell
Linux based PCs (in retro cases?) way it was priced and marketed seems to result
in small sales.

Since name license is "Worldwide, exclusive" it will be interesting to see could name license be resold as asset by Amiga Inc / CUSA liquidation or will it now end in limbo?
Its generally dead link or dead end for the name.

Shame it wasn't an innovative business with better people behind it - ideas and realization.

Indeed was not a charity, but either did not turn out to be proper business.

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Double post, sorry, mods please delete.

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The Commodore USA guy tweeted his real identity. This is him:

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=3087&doc_id=263455&piddl_msgid=1047900#msgs&utm_source=Tw&utm_medium=hoot&utm_campaign=new

He also runs the Facebook page. He runs a Bakery in Brooklyn.

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