@Hondo

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Hondo wrote: Once again you guys harras a thread full of good news for users of AmigaOS 4.xx

The thread topic is not 'Good news for AmigaOS users' it is 'VCF/Silicon dreams'. The discussion of new hardware shown at said event is entirely on topic.

What are your thoughts on the Cyrus motherboard? (we'll take the half-page of dancing bananas as a given, what else?)
Is the pricerange mentioned attractive enough to tempt you to _finally_ invest in AmigaOS?
How do you know this hardware isn't also going to be targetted by MorphOS/AROS, in which case the pricetag is very relevent to everone here
Even if it isn't why are you so protective about discussing the few hints given away so far (processor, rough price)?

Once again it seems you harass a thread full of valid questions and criticism about the latest ppc motherboard. If I was Trevor I'd thank Christ there were at least still enough people interested enough to manage a discussion, because in case you haven't noticed web traffic here is a bt down on what it was in early 2010.

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@ChrisH

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LOL. Who will write the drivers? And when they discontinue the x86 board in 6 months, who will write the drivers for the next version?

as is said, whats so different about trying to support latest gfx cards? doing one, the logical step would be doing the other. aros for that matter is supporting a good choice of contemporary hardware for what i know, phoenixkonsole or nikosidis could perhaps elaborate better.

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@blizz1220

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blizz1220 wrote: @Derfs Quote: until hyperion has their mind changed, AmigaOS will only run on new ppc hardware, and a side effect of that is relying on people like trevor to spend their own money to make these ppc motherboards. If there was a general boycott of Hyperion in the AmigaOS 4 community then Hyperion Entertainment would have to think twice about their strategy ...

so then what will you boycott? amigaos4? well that comes with all new hardware anyway.

boycott new amigaos4 hardware? then acube and a-eon go out of business and then there is nothing.

so tell me without being facetious what would you boycott?

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@blizz1220

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general boycott of Hyperion in the AmigaOS 4 community

How braindead is that? Like boycott the MorphOS team in the MorphOS community??!

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@Derfs

I would boycott Hyperion Entertainment ... Everybody screams in one
voice "We will buy nothing from you anymore until you start listening
to users Aeon and Acube".Then they get no money out of Amiga
coming their way ... None whatsoever unless you think some whole
new batch of customers will appear out of the blue ...
They are holding all Aos4 community hostage this way and are
making sure Aos4 can't do Mac HW,can't do ant hw that they
don't get to bless , stoping in from being ported to other
CPUs etc ... And Aos4 exists even without Hyperion as far
as I see ... You have a lot of developers that don't work for
Hyperion ... Even those that do could maybe get to call the
shots this way ... Support them ...
Still , as Hondo rightfully pointed out , since I don't care I
shouldn't post about this ... And I won't ...
It is questionable what could be done this way anyway but
it would make a change in status quo ...

@blizz1220

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They are holding all Aos4 community hostage this way and are making sure Aos4 can't do Mac HW,can't do ant hw that they don't get to bless , stoping in from being ported to other CPUs etc ... And Aos4 exists even without Hyperion as far as I see ... You have a lot of developers that don't work for Hyperion ... Even those that do could maybe get to call the shots this way ... Support them ... Still , as Hondo rightfully pointed out , since I don't care I shouldn't post about this ... And I won't ... It is questionable what could be done this way anyway but it would make a change in status quo ...

wait, what? i can't even -- huh??

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@blizz1220

As if Hyperion have actually made any money from AmigaOS4

@All

As I said I don't know and I don't care ...
I made an assumption that if you will go through all that
legal battle to stick your flag in Amiga you'll be getting
some money in return ...
But okay , they are just very very nice people that just
want to help everyone ... Still not my business ...
I only care what they do outside Aos4 ... And not really
that much about that too ...
And I will never belive in their good motives after reading
all the bloody legal manouvering that took place ...
Please don't target me with questions about this , you can ,
I will remain silent ...

Would a P5020 at 2GHZ deliver about 12,000 DMIPS?
A G4 at 1.25GHZ about 2,875 DMIPS ?
A G4 at 1.67GHZ about 3830 DMIPS ?
A 460ex at 1.55GHZ about 2310 DMIPS ?
If so I do not see anything to complain about.

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@Spectre660

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Would a P5020 at 2GHZ deliver about 12,000 DMIPS?

That is 6000 DMIPS for one core and 6000 DMIPS for another. 12000 DMIPS value doesn´t make sense - dhrystone is single-core only benchmark. Simple marketing.

I estimate P5020 2 GHz could be as fast as G4 2.6 GHz in most single core tasks (except AltiVec of course) and deliver similar (or even better) performance as G5 (again, except AltiVec usage).

@pavlor

Thanks for that.
quite some power in PowerPC terms.

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@Spectre660

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quite some power in PowerPC terms.

Without doubt.

For outer world perspective:
If my estimates are right, 2 GHz e5500 core would score around 8 SpecInt2006, common Core i5 scores above 40 SpecInt2006 (all single core integer performance).

@thread

anyone have a working stream URL for today?

-- eliyahu

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@eliyahu

Doesn't seem to be running today

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@eliyahu

Hi no streaming today. Not as busy as yesterday and I am using the laptop for other things. Dont worry I have a video I have been filming with interviews with Trevor, Matt from amigakit and many others.

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@OlafS25

I don't evangelize custom motherboards. However there is a certain movement within the Amiga market that demands it. Probably due to a strong psychological link with 68k machines. Otherwise, we wouldn't have all these NG (expensive) options to choose from. Taking out of the equation the custom machine you end up with a generic x86. That's what AROS is trying to take advantage of with little success (even by comparing to the numbers of fellow Amiga like systems).

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@Cool_amigaN

I must admit that the amiga community is reluctant to change otherwise all would use AROS or at least MorphOS. And there is market for this kind of custom PPC computers in the AmigaOS camp. I only said that both PPC camps (AmigaOS and MorphOS) struggle to win new users outside their userbase.

And regarding AROS... the final word is not spoken. The future for AROS is outside the community (f.e. Raspberry).

@wawa

You don't have to port only the OS because you will end up with a stripped system. Let me say it in other words, you will end up with an AmigaOS4.x system of 2003, which had almost zero native software to choose from and unless a miraculous programmer writes a PPC emulation layer there won't be any software at all (well, except an integrated version UAE so as to run 68k code perhaps). I am being skeptical regarding the probabilities of success of a similar project. Though overall price might be reduced, while raw power will be increased, this will be done into great expense of system's usability.

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The event is finished now and we are all packed up. It was great meeting the friendly Amigans. The event itself was very poorly attended overall but the amiga section seemed to have a little buzz and looked busy when other were just empty. I had a great time and looking forward to helping on any future Uk events.

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This new Hardware is a good news, for All PPC AmigaOS variant, I think!
A cooperation between all parties to support it and write things like drivers would be a great starts for the future of our beloved Operating systems. No need to spend time and colossal efforts in porting them to a different architecture!

Regards,
Petrol.