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amigakit 
Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
Posted on 8-Jul-2013 10:07:45
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@Phantom

The AmigaOne X1000 is certainly not "obsolete" as you have mentioned - there will be additional significant investment ongoing into the X1000 project. Future A-EON projects are long term to ensure that there is commitment to ongoing availability of hardware. Who knows- with the volatile PA6T prices, if they go down, future X1000 productions runs may well be on the cards as demand for the X1000 is still strong and it represents an iconic chapter in AmigaOS 4's history. The X1000 system has proved to be quality, reliable hardware and we have had very enthusiastic feedback from consumers.

@all

Project "Cyrus" has no official name yet as it is still a pre-production item, so the title to this thread isn't accurate- theres a long road to follow first.

Has anyone worked out the "Breezin`" references yet?

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
Posted on 8-Jul-2013 10:32:48
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You guys are George Benson fans ?

Breezin

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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You should probably add that another batch of Nemo boards are going through pre-delivery QC checks at Varisys. Pictures to follow in my next blog update.

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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Not sure what you're driving at, in all aspects of consumerisms new models get released and those who own the old model are left with a choice of staying with it or getting rid of it, buying the newer one or not (essentially 4 outcomes there from those two yes/no questions ).

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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@olegil

Actually I'm not driving at anything, just asking questions (some stupid ones, some normal ones; depends of how you see it). It's great to hear that AmigaOne X1000 has still a high demand and still selling, that's good for the entire AmigaOS 4 community and beyond.

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@amigakit

Quote:

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Has anyone worked out the "Breezin`" references yet?


Could it be something like a new WIFI solution?

Or is it that multicore support is up and running and things are breezing along at speed on the X1000?

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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@amigakit

Quote:

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Has anyone worked out the "Breezin`" references yet?


off the top of my head;

Pertains to a selected direction or path or lack thereof where the significance greatly changes depending on the vantage point of scrutiny but still ultimately governed by originators choice of inclusion/exclusion.

But it's hard to say, we get more abstract the longer we live

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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Project "Cyrus" has no official name yet as it is still a pre-production item, so the title to this thread isn't accurate-


oops, sorry. changed on this thread and vid. however I do like the name AmigaONE X2000.

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
Posted on 8-Jul-2013 12:17:12
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Regarding the Breezin' reference I know this is probably a stupid and naive thought, but one never know. In the picture from Trevor's last blog, there are some kind of code right above the two cpu's. What is that? - is it retrocode or just computer signs, or perhaps a hidden message regarding the breezin thing ?

PICTURE

We need a codebreaker here !

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
Posted on 8-Jul-2013 12:25:01
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@Hondo

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Regarding the Breezin' reference I know this is probably a stupid and naive thought, but one never know. In the picture from Trevor's last blog, there are some kind of code right above the two cpu's. What is that? - is it retrocode or just computer signs, or perhaps a hidden message regarding the breezin thing ?

PICTURE

We need a codebreaker here !

nah. you just need a radio guy. it's morse code for 'silicon dreams' in printed form.



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Hondo 
Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
Posted on 8-Jul-2013 12:40:13
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@eliyahu

Good then that's out of the question.

In Epsilons blog

http://amigax1000.blogspot.dk/2012/12/2012-on-x1000-look-back.html

It says in the comments in the bottom

1) At least one of the two planned new systems ("Breezin'" and "Cyrus") from A-Eon.

Was there said something before 6 januar about a system called Breezin ??

howcome this guy JB knows this ?

Howcome so many things ??? follow the next episode of Soap...

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@amigang

one vaporware?

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Posted on 8-Jul-2013 13:07:47
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@amigang

Very nice july news. More available, faster and might even be a cheaper model will replace hard to get and expensive X1000. I say that just prepaid and waiting for X1000. There can even be a quad core model based on the same design, becoming new high end. None will be cheap as x86 hardware for sure. Way better news then slow netbook, no matter how portable.

Take note we don`t know about state of OS 4.1/4.2 port for X2000, it will take time to have full support for same things we miss on X1000. But its good way to show how good hardware will follow. Now, there is a lot of work on AmigaOS side and its apps to be done ...

I assume it goes - selling last X1000 batch (ongoing) -> testing and producing first batch of X2000 boards -> selling X2000 -> testing X4000 version with quad core ...

So new high end Helgis is hoping for next time this year at its best ...

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"X2000" wouldn't happen until at least 12-18 months because of the time needed of porting OS4/writing drivers

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Re: AmigaONE X2000 "CYRUS"
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You'd think the next Amiga model would be a laptop / notebook, since there has been so much interest. I'm constantly carting my micro around in a suitcase. Luckily it isn't very big. I'd trade my SAM in a second on a notebook, since it still can't do what my micro does.

Since A-Eon has been able to sell every X1000 they could make, there's no incentive to lower the price of the next model. I imagine it will cost more than the X1000.

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As I understand it there will be a Q&A hour on chat with Trevor in the near future then you can ask

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@thinkchip

It's not about turnover, though, it's about profit.
The price of an X1000 is very high, but so is the cost. Lower the cost substantially, and you can lower the price and still have larger profit margins, at the same time as selling more units.

I'd be incredibly surprised if this cost more than an X1000.

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@Spirantho

it depends on development cost, production costs and component prices. Finally it depends on the calculated sales, the higher the lower is the share of development costs and production and you get better component prices. And then how much you want to earn with it.

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@thread

We need cheap hardware and powerful too, if we cannot get a company to give us ready made, of-the shelf motherboards with min 2 year production guarantee then its going to be hard to hire developers outside Amiga circle to code for Amiga.

If I wanted to hire a developer I would have to buy a development system for them, so a price of >800 is alot.

Maybe if we had a SERVER SIDE/Online AmigaOS, developers could use their own x86 system to develop on and compile / simulate AmigaOS programming online to develop faster.

Something to think about.

Hire a developer, buy a monthly AmigaDeveloper Cloud service licence and give it to a developer to start coding for Amiga. simple.

The developers at Elance, freelancer.com would be amazed :)


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@OlafS25

Absolutely, it does. I was just pointing out in reply to Thinkchip that just because the X1000 had been selling at a high price point, doesn't mean it's beneficial to up the price any more. It's always a trade-off between profit-per-unit and amount of units sold.

I am certain though that the X2000 will be cheaper - the CPU on the X1000 was the biggest drain, and that's not the case in the X2000 any more, by quite some margin.

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If I wanted to hire a developer I would have to buy a development system for them, so a price of >800 is alot.

Maybe if we had a SERVER SIDE/Online AmigaOS, developers could use their own x86 system to develop on and compile / simulate AmigaOS programming online to develop faster.

i suspect if you wanted to hire a developer on contract for any meaningful work, the 800 you mention would be rather small when compared with their salary. also do keep in mind you can compile on commodity x86 using a cross-compiler setup. there's even dmake so you can spread the compile jobs out to multiple machines.

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