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Epsilon 
Re: X1000 owners with X1Temp docky please read-SOLVED
Posted on 24-Sep-2013 3:10:53
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@klx300r

Sorry about that, I should have mentioned you!

I have updated the post with a shout out and link to this forum thread. Thanks again for the helpful tip.



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Re: X1000 owners with X1Temp docky please read-SOLVED
Posted on 24-Sep-2013 6:58:15
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@Moxee
the RollBack message it's a known issue, check in the rollback drawer you can find
a drawer with the same date in both forms gg-mm-aaaa and aaaa-mm-gg,
you must move the content from the first one in the second then remove the first one,
this happen because the data format in the rollback drawer was changed and
AmiUpdate cannot cope with this situation

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Posted on 24-Sep-2013 8:34:40
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@Moxee

Quote:

Moxee wrote:
Thanks for confirming that! I went to his web site and downloaded the latest archive which it said was X1kTemp 53.10. I unpacked it and used the install included in the archive. After installing I checked the version number and it reported 53.9. What?!?!

The installer in this latest version (53.9? 53.10?) also replaced the program icon which deletes all of your preferences. The odd thing about that is this problem is listed as a FIX in 53.9 and won't replace the program icon. What?!?!



About the version problem, in fact when I was noticed about the autoinstall problem I was already working on the following version, as such all files were already updated to reflect the new version. That's the reason why the guides (and only them) are (wrongly) reporting version 53.10. I'm sorry about the confusion but chose to do a fast fix rather than let the autoinstall problem until the following release (which has not even came yet ).

For the icon I agree that's not convenient and I'll try to find an ideal way of dealing with it.

PS: the best way to report a problem is to contact me privately by email I'm not reading forums daily.

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@klx300r

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klx300r wrote:
@ abalaban

I hear ya & thanks again for the docky. Good points made but as I knew the issue was with poor air flow in my X's case and not your program per se I thought it best to post here where hopefully the other owners can benefit.



I'm glad that you solved your problem and your X1000 is now cooler.

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@pvanni

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the RollBack message it's a known issue, check in the rollback drawer you can find
a drawer with the same date in both forms gg-mm-aaaa and aaaa-mm-gg,
you must move the content from the first one in the second then remove the first one,


Okay, I did the above. In the 2nd drawer was already 2 files:
CopyStore
session.tmp
I left these two files there. I hope that is correct. AmiUpdate seems to be working fine now.

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this happen because the data format in the rollback drawer was changed and
AmiUpdate cannot cope with this situation


This begs the question as to why the date format was changed if AmiUpdate cannot cope.

Thank you for your response.

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@abalaban

Quote:

About the version problem, in fact when I was noticed about the autoinstall problem I was already working on the following version, as such all files were already updated to reflect the new version. That's the reason why the guides (and only them) are (wrongly) reporting version 53.10. I'm sorry about the confusion but chose to do a fast fix rather than let the autoinstall problem until the following release (which has not even came yet ).


Oh, you did good! I always seem to be behind the curve.

Quote:

For the icon I agree that's not convenient and I'll try to find an ideal way of dealing with it.


Can you just leave the icon out of the install? Everyone should already have it. Well, not people doing new installs I suppose.

Quote:

PS: the best way to report a problem is to contact me privately by email I'm not reading forums daily.


Understood. I planned on doing that, but you were too fast on the draw in responding here. I'm slow about these things. I would have written you today though.

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Re: X1000 owners with X1Temp docky please read
Posted on 31-Jan-2015 11:52:39
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@klx300r

Hi all, to anyone who might be interested getting a professional cooling solution, please visit my Website. www.marcus.computer

I develop, produce and also modify existing systems.


So I have started on January 30th, 2015 with my own Online Shop for High Quality NG Amiga Accessroies and new AmigaONE chassis.

Unfortunately I was not able yet to translate the site into English. So bare with me, I will do this in the next couple weeks.


See you there, I hope you like it.
Marcus

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Re: X1000 owners with X1Temp docky please read
Posted on 8-Feb-2015 11:05:56
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@MARCOM

I am very satisfied by your cooling products!

I bought the MAGMABreath Super Silent 80 and replaced the original cooler and fan!
Now, I have a super silent X1000, which is so silent that you barely can hear her anymore :)

@all

For those of you interested in details:

I have a Commodore Ckin Case with 1x 120mm fan at the front and 1x 120mm fan in the rear of the case, and additionaly 1x 190mm fan at the side door. My GFX card is a passively cooled RadeonHD 4850 without fan.

I have done a series of test with my X1000 and X1kTemp.docky to record temperatures of CPU, Core1, Core2 and Case. The following maximum values, I could observer with AOS4 running for several hours with 100% CPU load:


With side door fan enabled, but rotation reduced by half by controlling voltage:
Case: 30C
CPU: 37C
Core1: 43C
Core2: 39C

For comparision: the values with original cooler and fan and the rotation of the side fan not reduced at all, are all 10-11C higher!

With side door fan enabled, but maximal reduced rotation:
Case: 33C
CPU: 39C
Core1: 45C
Core2: 41C

Side door fan disabled:
Case: 37C
CPU: 43C
Core1: 48C
Core2: 44C


For more detailed report, you can find here a report in German (click on "Bewertungen"):

MAGMABreath Super Silent 80


P.S. I should have mentioned that I have heaters in the floor and my X1000 is positioned on the floor as well. Hence, I am very satisfied by these cooling results despite the extra heat from below!

Last edited by nexus on 08-Feb-2015 at 11:31 AM.
Last edited by nexus on 08-Feb-2015 at 11:20 AM.

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Re: X1000 owners with X1Temp docky please read
Posted on 8-Feb-2015 11:28:00
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@nexus

I would like to see the report in english if possible. Is it easy to replace the fan + heatsinker in x1000 or should the user get it to a local dealer (i dont sent my x1000 anywhere). I dont want to damage my machine :)

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Posted on 8-Feb-2015 11:38:54
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@Kicko

Actually, once the old cooler/fan is off, it is easy to install the new one!
The most problems, I had was the removal of the screws from the original cooling element because they are made of *plastic*. What the heck! It is difficult to get them out in one piece! However, you do not need them anymore because the MAGMAbreath comes with metal screws. So, you also can simply cut off the heads of the plastic screws and then you can easily remove the original cooling element. You do not need to remove the fan. and there is already a fan on the MAGMAbreath.

I am not very good in things like that (i.e. putting together small elements or the other way around). However, I managed it without breaking anything :) And again, it is *easy* once the old cooling element is gone.

cheers,
nexus

P.S. However, if you really feel uncomfortable, I think, taking you X1000 to a normal PC dealer and asking them to assemble the cooling element is possible for sure, too.

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Re: X1000 owners with X1Temp docky please read
Posted on 10-Feb-2015 19:03:51
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@Kicko

No worries Kicko. as nexus described, it's so easy...
please read yourself the Conversion User Manual in the Download section of my Website: www.marcus.computer

By the way, use http://www.bing.com/translator/ or https://translate.google.de/ to get the review from nexus translated (or at lease roughly).

Sincerely
Marcus

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Posted on 10-Feb-2015 21:27:40
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@nexus

looks like a quality product & I'd love to get that constant hum on my X1000 down so I'd love to buy one! Any chance I can get a red led on that heatsink fan

Last edited by klx300r on 10-Feb-2015 at 09:28 PM.

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@MARCOM

I ordered one today, just dont know how to pay in advance but i believe it will come in a later mail from you :) Will be nice to see how less noise i will hear. Or like they say in the music, bring down the noise.

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Posted on 11-Feb-2015 4:38:18
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I like the advice in this thread for ways to lower the temps and/or lower the noise produced by the X1000, while still providing adequate cooling.

After I complete my move to a new house later this month, I will get my X1000 set up again and look into ways I can make it as silent as possible, while still keeping it as cool as it was in stock form, or cooler.

If the OP does not mind, please include more suggestions on other ways to silence the X1000.

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@ amigadave

I fully agree I love the fact that our community has always been resourceful and helpful towards one another.

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Posted on 11-Feb-2015 16:05:54
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@al

A quick test of the MAGMACooler heatsink (own fan provided)...

My setup is
Two NoiseBlocker 140mm fans blowing out of the top
One NoiseBlocker 140mm fan blowing out of the side
One NoiseBlocker 120mm fan blowing out of the back and
One NoiseBlocker 120mm fan blowing onto the heatsink (via a fan adapter)


Idle in CFE (every test performed for at least five minutes)

Original heatsink

Local: 30 C
Remote 1: 46 C
Remote 2: 43 C
Remote 3: 41 C

MAGMACooler

Local: 30 C
Remote 1: 43 C
Remote 2: 41 C
Remote 3: 39 C


Idle in Workbench

Original heatsink

Case: 34 C
CPU: 45 C
Core 1: 50 C
Core 2: 47 C

MAGMACooler

Case: 32 C
CPU: 41 C
Core 1: 46 C
Core 2: 43 C


100 % in Workbench

Original heatsink

Case: 35 C
CPU: 47 C
Core 1: 54 C
Core 2: 50 C

MAGMACooler

Case: 33 C
CPU: 43 C
Core 1: 49 C
Core 2: 45 C



I have to add that the test with the original heatsink was performed yesterday in a room that was roughly two degress Celsius cooler than the one today (take that into account).

It doesn't really seem that much of a gain, but frankly, i was trying really hard to get the Core temperature above 50 C...which, i couldn't

Worst case on a hot summer day has yet to be performed, but i like it, money well spent

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@Raziel

Strange results, unless you live in Sahara desert (just kidding).

Without any modifications, here are my results in idle Workbench.

Case: 26 C
CPU: 38 C
Core1: 45 C
Core2: 46 C

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@Raziel @ anyone else testing

Could you guys also add your ambient room temperature for a reference point.

Air flow in a case isn't about adding more fans, its more about placement of fans. Raziel, I see you have 4 fans pushing air out, but none pulling air in. If thats true, you could have very poor airflow, I see your case temp is the same with both coolers. On the other hand, the temp dropped 5C with 100% cpu usage, thats very good. I would suggest you change the side fan to pull air into the case & turn 1 or both top fans off to see what effects that has on temp readings. I've also found cpu fan adapters to be less efficient then a 60mm fan on top of the heatsink. Personally, I have 2 92mm fans pushing air in over my HD to cool them & 1 120mm fan pushing air out. My goal is to keep the cpu below 60C in Summer here.

C:smartctl -a sb600sata.device:# will show info for your drives, including current temp, a cool drive will last longer.

Did you guys see a pad or grease when doing the heatsink replacement?

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@Raziel

Thanks, Raziel, for those excellent figures. At last we can see what a difference the new cooling subsystem makes.

Of course, the ambient temperature is unimportant. The important result is the temperature RISE above ambient, for the three locations "CPU", "Core 1" and "Core 2".

I'll leave out your figures for idling in CFE because they were captured by different software from that running under WB. We don't know if different scaling or offset was used.

That leaves us with two conditions: "Idling" WB and "100% loaded" WB.

Your "Idling" WB with the original HS shows temperature rises of 11, 16 and 13 K. These fall to 9, 14 and 11 K when the new HS was fitted, an average improvement of ~15%.

Your "100%" WB with the original HS shows rises of 12, 19 and 15 K. These fall to 10, 16 and 12 K with the new HS, an average improvement of ~18%.

If your results are typical, one can expect the new HS to drop temperatures by 2-3 K after fitting. Not a great result, and not worth the money for the temperature drop alone, but if the noise level drops considerably, it would make it worth while, since the new HS is not expensive.

I should point out that others have claimed better results, but no figures have yet been provided.

I might buy a couple of them, one for the X-1000 and one for the Cyrus X-5000.

Thanks again for posting your results.

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@Raziel

i'm more interested in the noise of the system after the modification.
the original cooler/fan is so unbelievable noisy...
it already is much louder than our 5 years old win7 pc which i'm about to replace with a new one (which will then be almost completely silent).

i don't think the temparature will get worse when replacing the heatsink+fan but slightly better.
and i really hope to see the noise go down drastically.

regards...
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