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Metalheart 
MOS support on SAM460
Posted on 7-Sep-2013 12:03:48
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Anyone know what the status of SAM 460 support is regarding Morphos ?

Thanks

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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@Metalheart

Not cancelled, but probably on hold.

I'm sorry to spoil the party but MorphOS support for Sam440 is very unlikely to happen. Our original plans to support 460 got massively delayed already and even there is quite some low level work still ahead.
With all the additional issues showing up in public and the rather sparse feedback we received from customers regarding our plans to support ACube's hardware, it's not even sure if that will ever see the light of day anytime soon ...


pega-1, MorphOS Developer, in this thread on Morphzone.

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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@pavlor

Ok, thats clear !

Thanks, I was just thinking to try MOS when I already had the HW to run it on...

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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I would buy a SAM460 to replace my 10-years old trusty A1XEG4 only if MOS would run on it and 3D drivers are available (on AOS4).

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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@Metalheart

It's a real shame if the project doesn't eventuate because I would have worked towards a Sam 460 for a dual boot machine.

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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@Fairdinkem

I agree with you, I was waiting for MOS on my 460ex

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With all the additional issues showing up in public and the rather sparse feedback we received from customers regarding our plans to support ACube's hardware, it's not even sure if that will ever see the light of day anytime soon ...



I don't want to start a flame, that's not my policy, but can you explain me what do the MOS Team means when he says that he didn't receive any feedback from Acube's Customers??

The Customers have no MOS for Sam460 to try out, so how can they give feedback?

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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I have a Sam460ex and was definitely planning on trying out MorphOS when it can out. Can't say for sure if I would have bought it, since I've never actually used it before, but I'm certainly open to having a duel booting AmigaOS/MorphOS setup.

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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@nubechecorre

pega-1 speaks about MorphOS users' feedback, not Sam460ex users.

There were lots of feedbacks after the release of MorphOS 3.2 (misc hardware problems on Mac/MorphOS). So pega-1/MorphOS Team is very busy trying to fix them.

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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@Daff

There are hardware problems with mos on pegasos 2 too.
Example if I have a sii3114 in on pci slot the peg don't make me start the installation.
If I have the CDROM/dvdrom in master put in the second IDE channel of the pegasos 2 the mos kernel don't start from the boot.img the only way for make the mos running is havethe hd and the CDROM in the same IDE channel.
I don't have the opportunity to check if with my dlink USB adaptor will be some other problems ... I find mos more problematic compared with amigaos 4 in pegasos , amigaboot.of work good with all the board installed and the installation go and run whitout problems.

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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@tlosm

OT:

1) SII3114 (4-port) isn't supported by MorphOS. Only 2-port cards are supported atm. This is stated on the hardware compatibility page, but an understandable mixup (states "2-port 3x1x cards are supported").

2) I certainly had no problems with the Peg2 using optical drives on the secondary ATA channel whilst booting from HDD on the primary ATA channel. If you'd like to describe the issue in more detail (in a relevant/new thread), perhaps the issue can be identified and solved.

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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@ tlosm

please stay in topic and open new thread for Peg II issue


just my 2 cents, sent from Sam 460 waiting for mos on it in dualboot with AmigaOS 4.1

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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@HenryOut

Quite right

I personally support the idea of a MorphOS on Sam460 port.
Since the SAM460 userbase are already aware (to some degree) of MorphOS I think it will pay off in registrations.

Basically, it lowers the barriers to entry for a whole bunch of people (although we don't know how many) who already own the hardware and (most importantly) are interested in Amiga-like OSes.

It's also good for ACube, good for MorphOS customers to have the option of buying brand new hardware (Efika aside), and (also very important) good for cross-compatibility testing for application developers (which benefits us all).

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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i'm ready to buy a second mos licence for this!

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Re: MOS support on SAM460
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MOS support on Sam460 is a challenge.
It would really need to support Radeon HD video cards.
How many Sam460 owners would want to remove their Radeon HD cards and go searching for a Radeon 9xxx card just to run MOS ?.
But the port could be a springboard for MOS to get Radeon HD support.

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RadeonHD support would be a motive because a high end G5 Macs can also use them.

a) It would enable drivers for future use on some non PPC hardware
b) It would give MOS modern features - it will be on the list, sooner or later. Radeon 9000 cards are largely unavailable as new these days and/or overpriced in terms of performance.
c) They could use SAM460 with most common GFX cards
as well as it would give another edge to use of SAM460 with MOS
as new platform
d) They could get "even" with OS4 in this area (if they develop full 3D drivers they could be ahead)

They were complains on what is the use of such great GPUs on so weak CPU,
but then again, what use is of great CPU with such weak GFX as 9200 (up to 9600 on MOS)?

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Fab 
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Sorry, but why do you think supporting radeon hd is a challenge at all, when there's no 3d nor any kind of "overlay" support. And without this, it's only a huge regression from the so called weak gpus...

Supporting radeon hd in such a limited way is definitely no trouble. That's something morphos gfx driver developers usually do in an afternoon or so.... :)

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kyle 
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Posted on 8-Sep-2013 15:31:18
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@Fab

So why they didn't make it when MOS has been showed running on 460ex almost an year ago?
It would have been sufficient to prepare support for RadeonHD just one or two days before Pianeta Amiga 2012

However M.A.C.E. in definetely more enjoyable on 460 with radeon HD6670 where in game there are 100+ fps, while on Pegasos2 with Radeon 9200 I have about 25 fps. It's still good but not so fluid as on 460

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@kyle

Mace uses compositing.
Your Radeon 9xxx has a GfxBench2D score of about 90 for compositing.
Your Radeon HD6670 has a score of about 550 .
Six times faster .
Even my Sam440ep-Flex with a Radeon Hd6670 gives a score of 330 .
More than three and a half times faster .
The scores are based on an average for seven diferent rectangle sizes so the difference can be much more for a given size.
Maximum for your Peg II would be about 120.
For My Sam Flex 710
And Your Sam460ex 1115.
Also depends on the model of the card.
My faster Radeon HD6670 gives an average score of 430 in the Sam-Flex and a maximum of the same 1115 as with the Sam460ex

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@kyle

i've already seen morphos run (not officially) on some radeon x1xxx serie years ago. Supporting basic radeon features is definitely not an issue, but until now, there was no reason to support that since there was no hw allowing to plug it. With some powermac G5 models, it would now be possible and interesting, sure. But just like on OS4, what's the point, without 3D or even "overlay" abilities.

Basic compositing is nice, but scoring 0 at all 3d games and being insanely slow with video players is only a huge regression compared to a r300 card.

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