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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 13:11:48
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 13:13:27
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That's right...
AROS hosted on Linux would still see only one core, so this is a good argument against those who claim that ARIX is just that. _________________
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 13:40:13
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Devlin Maxwell will Arix be open sorce or a closed sorce type OS?
Arix OS @ Deviln Maxwell: Both actually. |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 13:46:50
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I sure can't. Hint: there is nothing called "Linux OS", Linux is the kernel including drivers. |
Nothing? Really? I wonder....
Wikipedia: Quote:
Linux is a Unix-like and POSIX-compliant computer operating system assembled under the model of free and open source software development and distribution. The main form of distribution are Linux distributions. |
Webopedia: Quote:
The Linux open source operating system, or Linux OS, is a freely distributable, cross-platform operating system based on Unix that can be installed on PCs, laptops, netbooks, mobile and tablet devices, video game consoles, servers, supercomputers and more. |
Linux.com:Quote:
Linux is, in simplest terms, an operating system. It is the software on a computer that enables applications and the computer operator to access the devices on the computer to perform desired functions. |
Could you please take the time to correct them too?
Thanks. :)
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P.S. Oh, and the Wikipedia article takes the time to point out, Quote:
This article is about the operating system. For the kernel, see Linux kernel. |
PS.PS. Oh, and the Webopedia article goes on to say, Quote:
The Linux OS is frequently packaged as a Linux distribution for both desktop and server use, and includes the Linux kernel (the core of the operating system) as well as supporting tools and libraries. |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 14:15:33
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NT3.5.1 actually had a microkernel, and then for NT4 MS decided to go ahead and let graphics drivers sit in kernel space (for performance reasons), which really sucked due to ATI writing complete garbage for drivers. So NT started out with a microkernel but ended up with soup. Or some such. _________________ This weeks pet peeve: Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean. |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:05:38
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megol wrote: @Arko Quote:
Arko wrote: The micro vs. monolithic discussion is quite useless.
OSX and WinNT(XP, 7, 8) are claimed to have micro-kernels. But for better performances some important parts of the driver system are integrated into the kernel. |
Neither of those are microkernels.
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The first microkernels, notably Mach, proved to have disappointing performance, ... By 2000, most large-scale (Mach-like) efforts had ended, although OpenStep used an adapted Mach kernel called XNU, which is now used in the OS known as Darwin, which is the open source part of Mac OS X.[2] As of 2012, the Mach-based GNU Hurd is also functional and its inclusion in testing versions of Arch Linux and Debian is in progress.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microkernel
WindowsNT Microkernel: Quote:
Windows NT's kernel mode code further distinguishes between the "kernel", whose primary purpose is to implement processor and architecture dependent functions, and the "executive". This was designed as a modified microkernel, as the Windows NT kernel was influenced by the Mach microkernel developed at Carnegie Mellon University,[19] but does not meet all of the criteria of a pure microkernel. Both the kernel and the executive are linked together into the single loaded module ntoskrnl.exe; from outside this module there is little distinction between the kernel and the executive. Routines from each are directly accessible, as for example from kernel-mode device drivers.
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_________________ AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.
I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28): http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0 |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:07:21
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AROS hosted on Linux would still see only one core, so this is a good argument against those who claim that ARIX is just that. |
IIRC the info posted recently said something about a free of charge hosted version and a paid native version. If that's the case then everyone is right to some degree. |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:32:24
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:34:58
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look complicated |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:39:48
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It seems logical. I wonder, if ARIX supports also Linux application (GUI based). It could be possible. |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:40:39
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i think it looks about as expected? |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:42:48
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It seems logical. I wonder, if ARIX supports also Linux application (GUI based). It could be possible. |
that would require an X11 server and so far AROS has none... |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:43:13
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I think it is possible (from this diagram) but they will certainly give more informations in future |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:44:31
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but you can install linux-components that use the linux kernel? |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:51:59
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but you can install linux-components that use the linux kernel? |
perhaps not that bad as an option. some might argue it will linuxize the whole system, because none will invest anything in "amiga" side. though os4 has its linux compatibility layers and nevertheless there is some approach to make apps work native. two things of course, one is if the linux layer is too good there is no motivation to improve and also the tension in this direction is not that big.
id say, lets try and see what comes out of it without making assumptions. |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:53:24
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couldnt you shed some light? this teasing stuff is overdoing it imho. reminds me too much of things that dont come true. |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 15:57:58
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Sure, but first I need to get home :) |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 16:25:34
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No, the ARIX "OS" and I refuse to call it an OS, is still sitting on top of a Linux kernel in spite of the single ARIX scheduling arrow pointing directly at the hardware. This graphic is misleading at best. Arix will not be scheduling hardware resources directly without going thru the Linux kernel. You must have gotten Dammy to draw this. More smoke and mirrors....This graphic is more at home in a comic book.....
Just as I thought. Linux with an API layer on top. |
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 16:25:59
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yawn
then I repeat my answer from amiga.org: You are making yourself looking silly. Your comments remind me of a small child not wanting to eat something always saying "no I do not want to eat that" Last edited by OlafS25 on 19-Nov-2013 at 04:26 PM.
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Re: Arix Foundation? Posted on 19-Nov-2013 16:28:59
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That's right...
AROS hosted on Linux would still see only one core, so this is a good argument against those who claim that ARIX is just that. |
No, what you're seeing in that graphic is a Linux app with Aros window components. |
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