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pavlor 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 15:17:02
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@OlafS25

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2100 EUR for the board? What can you say...


2,183.25 EUR.

Is AmigaOS included? Even without it, seems to be cheaper than full X1000 computer (400-500 EUR difference). Still 200 EUR above my limit for computer purchase.

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@pavlor

AmigaOS included. The site doesn't let you remove it.

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 16:08:02
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@Thematic

yes and when click to buy.....check the Price......this must be a joke..Os4.1 not included in the Price

Edit: so when i buy all components...with radeon driver and Boingball case etc.....
X100 is cheaper! and thats with assembling.....

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 16:47:40
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@netrot

Ugh, I must have skimmed over the +92 part.

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@Thematic

Theoretical someone could buy it and use it with Linux and without AmigaOS. But who would do that?

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mr2 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 18:28:31
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Only hope the new Cyrus motherboard is going to be a lot cheaper or im never going to be able afford an Amiga again which is a real shame.


You will be disappointed then...
New mobos are cheaper because CPU is cheaper. You can expect ca. 400/500$ price drop but thats it.
Cyrus A3041 1700/1800, A5020 1900/2000 A5040 2100/2200. Thats my bet.

BTW. Whats wrong with SAM460? It costs ca. 800 or you mean" never afford powerfull Amiga"

@all who shows fake amazement

AOne X1000 costs 2644 and contains case, cheap GPU, 1GB RAM, HDD and DVDRW. How much for that, 400/500?....and you get 2183, for the mobo. Come on, I think you can count

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 18:34:40
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@mr2

That was well discussed at the panel discussion following the banquet.

The areas for price reduction being indeed in CPU plus allowing mobo shipment which would lower shipping costs.

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 18:36:58
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@g01df1sh

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g01df1sh wrote:
@raumfahre

Hell for that price the radeon driver should be included as well. Only hope the new Cyrus motherboard is going to be a lot cheaper or im never going to be able afford an Amiga again which is a real shame.


Just wait for Acube to revile the next version of the sam4xx series, probebly dualcore 1,5Ghz and DDR3 memory.
It will probebly be alot cheeper than the Cyrus machines.
I have my AmigaOne 500, and it is a grate Amiga NG machine, can strongly recomend it!

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 18:42:37
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@Thematic

Just to note that whilst the Nemo board package has to be purchased with AmigaOS 4.1, there appears to be no mention of a free upgrade to AmigaOS 4.2 with just the Nemo board (vs with X1000). Another thing to consider.

EDIT: Replied to incorrect post. Sorry to anyone reading this threaded, it should have been a reply to Post #182.

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 18:56:10
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@number6

Ahh, ok. I did not take part at the panel discussion but I'm here long enough to realize where savings can be done and I can count... I expect the same from people who have hundreds/thousads posts here.

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Posted on 22-Oct-2013 20:42:20
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@mr2


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Ahh, ok. I did not take part at the panel discussion but I'm here long enough to realize where savings can be done and I can count... I expect the same from people who have hundreds/thousads posts here.


i must second that. who in his right mind would expect that bare mobo without peripherials will be much cheaper than the cost of whole systrem minus these peripherials. the separate parts are usually mostly more expensive than a completely assembled systems, why wouldnt this apply here.

said that i would be cautious with buying separate motherboard. choosing the right expansions that dependably work with an os4 system seems usually quite a gamble.

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 23:34:40
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Great to hear that new hardware is comming and software is progressing!!

Last edited by marko on 22-Oct-2013 at 11:48 PM.

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TrevorDick 
Re: amiwest news
Posted on 22-Oct-2013 23:59:34
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Just to clarify, AmigaOS 4 and 20% VAT (sales tax) is included in the price. Purchasers outside of the EU would not pay the VAT. If you have any other questions I suggest you contact AmigaKit.

TrevorD

Edit: the price also includes backplate, manuals.

Last edited by TrevorDick on 23-Oct-2013 at 12:04 AM.

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 23-Oct-2013 0:59:10
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@TrevorDick

Thanks Trevor for all the hard work you have put into the higher end models for the AmigaOne line, plus I love the AmigaOne Keyboard and Mouse. I have both for my AmigaOne 500. Also, I will be moving up to a high end model, I was saving for an AmigaOne X1000, but now I want the Cyrus based AmigaOne when that is ready.

I remember back in the Commodore days, I payed quite a bit for my Amigas then too. Amigas have never been cheap. I bought an Amiga 500 for $600 (with no monitor and no A501 memory expansion), and I bought an Amiga 3000 for $2600 not including a monitor. Why would things be different now. Cheap computers are standard pcs, not Amiga or Mac for that matter.

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 23-Oct-2013 9:41:24
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@TrevorDick

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TrevorDick wrote:
Just to clarify, AmigaOS 4 and 20% VAT (sales tax) is included in the price. Purchasers outside of the EU would not pay the VAT. If you have any other questions I suggest you contact AmigaKit.


Why price then is different when added to cart?

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TrevorDick 
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Posted on 23-Oct-2013 11:35:11
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@Rose

I will check.

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Posted on 23-Oct-2013 11:42:40
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@Yogi27

comparations with the past here are mostly wrong because the market was very different (with less competition and no cheap alternatives) and the amiga-hardware was really unique compared to standard hardware. The NG options today have the same components as the much cheaper standard hardware with only a different processor.

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Re: amiwest news
Posted on 23-Oct-2013 12:09:24
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@OlafS25

Developing a new custom PowerPC motherboard and manufacturing in small production runs is *very* expensive. The engineering design costs are very significant amounts of money. The Nemo features an expensive CPU.

You cannot compare a production run of a commodity x86 board with millions of units made to a bespoke small production run of a custom motherboard by simply comparing the costs of some components.

@Yogi27

Cyrus is more than likely a year off release for consumers.

Last edited by amigakit on 23-Oct-2013 at 12:12 PM.

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@amigakit

No I cannot. Even a custom X86 design would be much more expensive. I only responded to someone saying Amiga was always more expensive and I think you cannot compare 2013 with f.e. 1991. It is a different world today. If people whyever prefer a custom PPC design they have to pay the price.

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Posted on 23-Oct-2013 12:59:57
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@OlafS25

I forgot to add that the engineering costs over millions of units account for a few $ per board, but when you are making hundreds of boards, the engineering costs account for a *sizeable* proportion of the product price. A-EON cannot absorb/write off these huge costs - they need to be split over the production run.

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