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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 9:28:25
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@Hyperionmp

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There is plenty of hardware underway high-end, middle end and low-end. Details are not for us to reveal.

I would just advise you to read up on "OpenPower" on e.g. www.theregister.co.uk


Of course because they are not your hardware projects. You are riding on coattails.

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 11:09:01
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@Hyperionmp

Thanks for the information.

Knowing that there are no restrictions on cpu architecture, and that there are around the same number of registered users of AmigaOS as MorphOS might at least put some of the speculation to rest.

This more open communication is a very welcome change.

I'll continue to wait until things are actually released before holding out any expectation though.

Congrats (esp to HJF) on raising the 2GB limit - any details to release on the implementation: Partial memory paging? Used-as-a-ramdisk? Will >2GB be available to individual applications?

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
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@Hyperionmp

Wow - the first time I have seen any hint of actual sales figures and 'in the low thousands' is a very pleasing figure.

If you can breech the 10k mark that would be spectacular.

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 12:44:52
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@Hyperionmp

Quote:

Hyperionmp wrote:

Just a tidbit: AmigaOS 4.1 now has a mechanism to use more than 4 GB of memory


Interesting

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Hyperionmp wrote:

... the limit imposed by the 32 bit limit was circumvented ...


The limit was 31 bit ... hope your developer knew this ..

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@Hyperionmp
Thanks for the update. I hope you start doing this more often.
I feel a little bit less pessimistic about the future now.

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Posted on 27-Apr-2014 13:18:37
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Although the term "Amiga" is incorporated as part of the wording used (Amigaone-AmigaDE etc. etc.) , I've not seen any products branded "Amiga" that made it to "market" -from- or through licensing -by- Amiga Inc. Have you?

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 13:23:01
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@Hyperionmp

Thank you for your participation in this thread and the information. Open information regarding the AmigaOS platform is what I, as a customer, strongly desire ... and this has been quite a big breath of fresh air. I believe the numbers you have given in regard to estimated userbase size and goals for growth are the most specific such public information to date.

The 2,500 number is quite a bit higher than many believed but also lower than others have guessed. I take it on its face as being a candid and honest accounting, and I and others appreciate it.

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Posted on 27-Apr-2014 13:43:23
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@mbrantley

i couldn't agree more. those who denigrate the efforts of the AOS4 developers, hyperion, A-EON, et al, will always do so, whether given information or silence; they happily spread FUD in either set of circumstances. but we, the paying customers, always prefer more communication rather than less.

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 15:41:04
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@Hyperionmp

Thank you for the comments: it's reassuring to see hyperion comments.

About the GB limitations, i'm stuck with 512 MB of sam440ep.


@amigakit

that kind of interface on the store, it's something custom or something new? I mean the one with the close button at top-left, as well as the vertical scroller.

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 18:21:50
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i think wee could be up to 5/6000 agen iff an cheap high end showed up.if the cyrus were cheap it will happend. and wee an very chep laptop or netbook/notebook came around wee could crank it up to 10/12000 usseres.


the amistore should have been made already back in 99/2000
but then agen better late then never

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 19:06:57
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@Hyperionmp

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@amigadave

I'm sorry to say this but you are simply not up to speed with the latest developments from Hyperion, A-EON, A-Cube etc.


I would be the first to admit and agree with your statement about me above. That is what prompted this thread and my questions, or request for current information. Thank you very much for providing some answers to the many questions that us the users, and many casual bystanders are eager to read.

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On the basis of people who actually bothered to register their copy of AmigaOS 4.1 (which already a sign of "activity" as we see more sales than we see registrations), current active userbase (including AmigaOS 4.1 for Classic) stands at around 2500.

All depends on what you consider active users.


I provided my definition of what I consider an Active User, and I have no problem with you and other users, or members of our community having different opinions and definitions of what an Active User is.

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A user who is downloading updates via AmiUpdate is one definition but that is hardcore active users who wishes to stay at the very latest version.

I don't have numbers for that handy.


I don't need that number, as it does not indicate any real size of the user base in my opinion, though others will surely point to it as an indicator for their opinions, specially if the number is significantly lower and the person using it is more interested in promoting a different alternative to the Amiga community.

Thanks again for your candid answers and new information. Please ignore any detractors in this thread, whose only interest is to attack your work and goals. We always get a few who can't resist the temptation to throw a few negative comments into threads such as this one.

I am a strong supporter of MorphOS, as you and most other users know well, but I see no need for that to negatively affect my support for all other Amiga inspired projects and systems. Again, I look forward to seeing and using your advancements in the future, and wish you all the luck in reaching your goals as soon as possible.

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Posted on 27-Apr-2014 19:09:05
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Someone kindly answer a simple question: beside "working around" memory leaks, what possible use is there for having more then 2GB in an "amiga"?

It seems, as usual, that the wrong problem is being worked on. Ditto SMP, which will just be a way for a buggy program to crash the OS twice as fast.

Curious to know if inactive licences have been factored in to these numbers being thrown about.

Aslak3... Ex OS4 user.

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 19:13:05
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@Aslak3

You obviously have tried using a demanding application like Blender or Timberwolf.

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Posted on 27-Apr-2014 19:13:28
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@realize

"7k to 10k new users? What a completely unrealistic thing to say. WIth the price of hardware "

About eur200 HW would increse userbase in thousands, IMHO. (doable with freescale T10xx series)

"1gb ram on amigoid system with no software to use it? "

To my understanding there is software to use it as we already can do video conversions etc. doing that from RAM drive or from/to cache will be nice to do.

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 19:29:53
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@Hyperionmp

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@Aslak3

You obviously have tried using a demanding application like Blender or Timberwolf


Indeed, and SketchBlock projects with unlimited undo on full size photographs from modern camera will eat through quite a bit too, it would be cool to be able to work on several of such project simulteously.

If you had 'unlimited' ram you could cache screen capture video in ram too, dramtatically speeding up the performance of something like SREC.


To be blunt people who think the amiga doesn't need as much ram as you can throw at it, lack imagination.

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Posted on 27-Apr-2014 20:03:05
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@Hyperionmp

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You obviously have tried using a demanding application like Blender or Timberwolf.


640K ought to be enough memory for anybody.


All joking aside, it's nice to see you posting here.

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 20:08:31
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@broadblues

Kudos for your sketchbook program; probably the most impressive native app for os4 I saw in my time of using it. Much more impressive then any of the porting efforts anyway.

That said, I never got close to using all the memory in my SAM460 because some program would take out the system first. Even factoring in the leaks in programs like OWB.

It is a lack of memory protection that keeps the OS stuck in the 90s.

BTW surely things like undo buffers can be spooled to disk? A tad more to implement but nit much.

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Posted on 27-Apr-2014 20:10:53
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@Hyperionmp

Strange that the two programs you cite are OSS ports.

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Re: Any progress updates for AmigaOS4.x???
Posted on 27-Apr-2014 20:13:04
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@Aslak3

You are welcome to send me your contact details and we'll arrange for someone to take your AmigaOS 4 .x device capable device of your hands. Plenty of volunteers out there.

The number I quoted is already corrected for people who are honest enough to register several licences because they have several machines.

Obviously that counts as just one user.

Believe it or not, some people have multiple SAM's sitting next to an old AmigaOne or Amiga with Cyberstorm PPC.

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Posted on 27-Apr-2014 20:20:03
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@Aslak3

Moving to SMP will inevitable mean that SMP aware programs will need to adhere to stricter rules. We introduced several mechanisms over the years to improve instability issues causes by buggy software with memory leaks, access to the zero page or a very common mistake, freeeing the same memory twice.

In tandem with the DOS development a lot of work was done in this area in the kernel whilst still retaining backwards compatibility with a lot of old applications including legacy 68K applications. There are limits ofcourse to what extent we will accommodate such programs.

Nothing new here, the old 68K AmigaOS developers in the Commodore era had plenty of workarounds in their code to ensure that some buggy but important application would remain functional.

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