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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 14:48:06
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Ah well I understand what you mean. What I didn't understand is your Minimig comment =) |
Its maybe degradation from the topic, software emulation vs FPGA.
Minimig is not software emulation, instead logical getas are connected by programing a array of wires with in the chip, FPGA is short for "Feal Programable Gate Array".
This chips can be rewired simply by uploading a digram to chip, they are flexible and relative expensive chips, but they simplify the design and there for cut costs.
There for FPGA grete is perfect to simulate hardware.
And one more thing MiniMig does not have USB, it has 9 pin joystick ports like the orignal Amiga, this makes big difference when your playing a game.
PS/2 is serial, GamePorts are parallel, and USB is protocol based with serial transferee.
It all comes down to transferee speed, PS/2 and USB comes to about the same in speed, but parallel based game ports are always faster.
It might be that USB1.1 was slower then PS/2, but that was a long time ago.
Anyway if your playing a rally hard game like Agany or ProjectX, and the space ship does not move instantly when you need it to, your going to lose a life.Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 27-Sep-2014 at 03:21 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 27-Sep-2014 at 03:07 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 27-Sep-2014 at 02:55 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 27-Sep-2014 at 02:53 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 27-Sep-2014 at 02:48 PM.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 14:53:21
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Ah I understand now. So if you are playing Agony and Project X in WinUAE using a USB joypad, game is going to be much harder because it won't be 100% responsive right?
By the way, no one seem to have Minimig in stock. _________________
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 14:57:38
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 16:25:08
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The QEMU emulation used by Tony is to slow to beat Sam440, its no way it can beat X1000, if you only get 1/20 to 1/10 of Mhz on I5/I7, 200Mhz – 400Mhz, it wont help having better support for graphic cards under emulation. |
CPU speed is not the biggest problem. My conservative estimate is 400 to 1000 MHz 604e (on Core i5-2500K), most application benchmarks confirm lower boundary. 128 MB RAM and 4 MB GFX RAM - that is most severe limitation (68k GFX driver also doesn´t use Petunia, however GFX is not slow).
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because no one has yet run any ragemem and mplayer benchmarks. |
Give me some time. 
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Its even trick to emulate some ting as simple as a Amiga 500 on I7 correct. |
A500 games I tried work good in RunInUAE (Populous II, Battle Chess). |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 16:35:15
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 16:40:10
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I don´t understand. I run these games from OS4 via RunInUAE. 320x256 screen is used. |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 16:47:01
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 16:50:40
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I know what is interlace, I only didn´t get your question. Now it is clear even to me.
Still much to test. |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 18:12:49
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| Benchmarks on notebook with Core i5-2430M 2.4 GHz:
RAGEMEM v0.37 - compiled 11/06/2010
CPU: 604e 9.516 @ 261 Mhz Caches Sizes: L1: 32 KB - L2: none - L3: none Cache Line: 32
CPU MAX MIPS: 1996
L1 READ32: 1261 MB/Sec READ64: 1842 MB/Sec WRITE32: 1191 MB/Sec WRITE64: 1732 MB/Sec
RAM READ32: 992 MB/Sec READ64: 1371 MB/Sec WRITE32: 965 MB/Sec WRITE64: 1225 MB/Sec WRITE: 473 MB/Sec (Tricky)
VIDEO BUS READ: 74 MB/Sec WRITE: 66 MB/Sec
For comparison result of 440EP 800 MHz Rafemem benchmarks thread (Spectre660, post 61): AGEMEM v0.37 - compiled 11/06/2010
CPU: AMCC PPC440EP 1.3 @ 799 Mhz Caches Sizes: L1: 32 KB - L2: none - L3: none Cache Line: 128
CPU MAX MIPS: 1598
L1 READ32: 2873 MB/Sec READ64: 5693 MB/Sec WRITE32: 2868 MB/Sec WRITE64: 5705 MB/Sec
RAM READ32: 323 MB/Sec READ64: 323 MB/Sec WRITE32: 204 MB/Sec WRITE64: 204 MB/Sec WRITE: 910 MB/Sec (Tricky)
VIDEO BUS READ: 41 MB/Sec WRITE: 63 MB/Sec
Edit: Correct result. I hope so. Edit2: 440EP 800 MHz Last edited by pavlor on 27-Sep-2014 at 06:34 PM. Last edited by pavlor on 27-Sep-2014 at 06:31 PM.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 18:23:34
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| Same hardware as in above post - now MUI-MPlayer (generic version):
mplayer -benchmark -nosound -ao null -vo null -lavdopts skiploopfilter=none "Prometheus - Trailer.mp4"
BENCHMARKs: VC: 668.605s VO: 0.039s A: 0.000s Sys: 3.475s = 672.119s BENCHMARK%: VC: 99.4772% VO: 0.0058% A: 0.0000% Sys: 0.5170% = 100.0000%
Pegasos 2 G4 1 GHz (AltiVec) scores 153.6s (Source) If I remember correctly, SAM440EP 800 MHz scores cca 500s in this benchmark (I can´t find this result right now). |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 19:48:02
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do you had the opportunity to install and run SysMon ? just because if you need you can compare with this results
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 20:39:25
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Compliments of a backup DVD. Mui-Mplayer. Sam440ep-flex 800Mhz
mplayer -benchmark -nosound -ao null -vo null -lavdopts skiploopfilter=none "Media:My Videos/Test/Prometheus - Trailer.mp4" MPlayer UNKNOWN-4.4.3 (C) 2000-2010 MPlayer Team 160 audio & 349 video codecs
Playing Media:My Videos/Test/Prometheus - Trailer.mp4. libavformat file format detected. [lavf] stream 0: video (h264), -vid 0 [lavf] stream 1: audio (aac), -aid 0, -alang eng VIDEO: [H264] 1920x816 24bpp 90000.000 fps 6828.3 kbps (833.5 kbyte/s) Clip info: major_brand: mp42 minor_version: 0 compatible_brands: mp42isomavc1 artist: 20th Fox title: Prometheus - Trailer encoder: HandBrake 4344svn 2011111001 date: 2012 ========================================================================== Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264) ========================================================================== Audio: no sound Starting playback... Movie-Aspect is 2.35:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect. VO: [null] 1920x816 => 1920x816 Planar YV12
BENCHMARKs: VC: 530.312s VO: 0.014s A: 0.000s Sys: 2.184s = 532.511s BENCHMARK%: VC: 99.5872% VO: 0.0026% A: 0.0000% Sys: 0.4102% = 100.0000%
Exiting... (End of file)
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 21:52:50
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Thanks! Good to see my memory is not that bad. |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 21:55:19
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do you had the opportunity to install and run SysMon ? |
Not yet. It seems SysMon uses Ragemem for this benchmark - you can see my values in post 329. |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 22:07:33
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Not bed ;) _________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 22:19:50
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I don´t think MIPS values of Ragemem are comparable between different CPUs. 600 MHz 440EP as fast as 600 MHz G3? Strange. That is why I rather use application benchmarks (like MPlayer). |
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 22:23:13
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I usually prefer use quake software rendering because it is the only one program available to all Os ... Mplayer example on MacOSX ppc cant make the bench :-/
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 27-Sep-2014 22:36:24
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Yes, Quake is good benchmark. Will try later (I got cca 30 FPS with various WarpOS versions in 320x200 and I expect similar result also in OS4 - FPU emulation is really slow ). Doom benchmark gives above 100 FPS with ADoomPPC (it was nearly 250 FPS in WarpOS with 68k JIT for GFX card driver), I think "slower" GFX is bottleneck here (Picasso IV driver is 68k and uses only interpretive emulation).
Edit: WarpOS (+ 68k JIT GFX card driver) result was from another (faster) computer. I expect it would be still faster on notebook I use right now (here I don´t have RTG enviroment for WarpOS). Last edited by pavlor on 28-Sep-2014 at 08:52 AM.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 28-Sep-2014 8:30:46
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Can you pass me the exactly line for benchmarking with doom ? im pretty curious to bench the jit version on Euae jit ppc...
I hope SnakeCoils will fix the Qemu core for FsUae PPC ... On Qemu on Quad i have a G3 733 mhz in emulation performance i will be really curious under FsUae :P Last edited by tlosm on 28-Sep-2014 at 08:31 AM.
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Re: WinUAE with Cyberstorm Emulation. Posted on 28-Sep-2014 8:54:02
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ADoomWOS -forcedemo timedemo demo3
Post both realtics and FPS. Note: It will be much slower when using AGA screen - use RTG display. |
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