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eliyahu 
Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
Posted on 26-Oct-2014 20:49:40
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@zzd10h

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Is LibreOffice was demoed ?

no. apparently the port is complete, at least that's what trevor said in his presentation, but that there are some bugs that prevent release. so thomas is actually working on an AOS4-native version of GDB -- more than what we have currently -- so he can debug more easily.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@wawa

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smp, new exec, new memory management beyond 2gig, libre office, gallium, w3d for radeon-hd, just to mention few things of those that have been promised for ages.

we had an update on all of those things, but as far as anything demoed, nope. well, that's not entirely true. the extmem object support is working on final edition, and i've been using that for some time. i even mentioned it in my talk this morning on final edition.

warp3d development has been restarted, and A-EON has purchased the rights to it, which means they might be (this is *just* a guess) looking to add more developers to the project. libreoffice was mentioned as being nearly complete, but bugs prevented showing it. as for gallium and multi-core support, still in progress, but nothing more.

unless i forgot something. @TrevorDick and @ssolie are both here. you might ask them via PM if you're really interested in more details.

-- eliyahu

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
Posted on 26-Oct-2014 20:56:17
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@eliyahu

Thanks for the update.

And Im looking forward to Roberts videos/youtube versions for the stuff Ive missed.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@Lazi

Different disk per platform, anything else is just too much work right now.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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Tekmages voice (i think thats the guy) is bleeding in over Epsilons presentation quite loudly.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@Hyperionmp

Hi Hyperionmp, first of all thanks for your efforts on AmigaOS, much appreciated here!

Will AmigaOS 4.1 FE be a licence per user or will each Amiga need its own licence?

Will there be a version for OS4.1FE for classics?

Jason

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@eliyahu

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by eliyahu on 26-Oct-2014 20:52:38 @wawa Quote: smp, new exec, new memory management beyond 2gig, libre office, gallium, w3d for radeon-hd, just to mention few things of those that have been promised for ages. we had an update on all of those things, but as far as anything demoed, nope. well, that's not entirely true. the extmem object support is working on final edition, and i've been using that for some time. i even mentioned it in my talk this morning on final edition. warp3d development has been restarted, and A-EON has purchased the rights to it, which means they might be (this is *just* a guess) looking to add more developers to the project. libreoffice was mentioned as being nearly complete, but bugs prevented showing it. as for gallium and multi-core support, still in progress, but nothing more. unless i forgot something. @TrevorDick and @ssolie are both here. you might ask them via PM if you're really interested in more details. -- eliyahu


no. im not interested in pms except i trust the counterparts. im only interested in open discussion so far.
okay, then except extmem nothing else can be confirmed and it remains an in a realm of promises and anouncements,it has been for years now. it leaves us mostly with the final update on os4.1, what concerns the results of amiwest this year. and even that has not caused much of attention on any other amiga sites except as said a-news and moobunny. please correct me, but it looks like instead it has been completely ignored by the remaining amiga community, so i dont think it has any much impact to be worth to invest into.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@wawa

Amigans.net, Amiga.org and even Amigaportal.cz ( ) have AmiWest coverage.


Edit: also ppa.pl, A1k.org. Too late for me to search for more sites...

Last edited by pavlor on 26-Oct-2014 at 09:42 PM.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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Going on right now: Demo of Amiga one X5000 running linux.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@Overflow

Quote:

Overflow wrote:
@CodeSmith

I havent read the fineprint about the Emulation, but Toni seems to be doing it out of pure curiousity/fun?
And obviously, as he posted about it on EAB people started donating money to him, which obviously
motivates a developer even more.

If Toni suddenly decided to stop developing the PPC emulation today, you would still be able to run PPC, but Hyperion and Toni is under no obligation to support people that decides to spend money on the OS without the actual Amiga NG hardware.

So, what Im saying; buy OS4 for emulation at your own risk. Many have done so, and are enjoying fiddling with it, but dont expect to play ALL your games etc without crashes and bugs.

Someone please correct me if im wrong

Even so, this drastically lowers the barrier to entry for new users. If someone hears about OS4 and is curious to try it out, not having to buy a $1000+ system just to see if they'll like it is pretty huge. In fact I'd like to suggest this to AmigaKit: sell a "try before you buy" kit that consists of a bootable thumbdrive, with Linux that boots straight into UAE running OS4. Charge say $50 for it, and if the same person buys a SAM or X1000 within 6 months, take $30 off the price of the computer and transfer the OS license to it.

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@eliyahu
Sad, but thank you for the reply.


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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@pavlor

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by pavlor on 26-Oct-2014 21:39:14 @wawa Amigans.net, Amiga.org and even Amigaportal.cz ( ) have AmiWest coverage. Edit: also ppa.pl, A1k.org. Too late for me to search for more sites...


very little. actually almost no interest.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
Posted on 26-Oct-2014 22:14:27
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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
Posted on 26-Oct-2014 23:09:08
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@marko

keep the momentum going. amiga back for the future

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
Posted on 26-Oct-2014 23:11:26
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@Epsilon

Thanks for the updates via blog posts and photos.

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@eliyahu

Again a question, please.

"the extmem object support is working on final edition, and i've been using that for some time"

What is the practical use of this new function in daily OS4 use ?

More memory available for all the program or "only" a DataSpace as we have under z/OS ?

Thank again for your reply ;)

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@zzd10h

as far as i understand extmem has to be explicitely allocated, so it is only available to applications calling it. i wonder if there are such apps availabe at all. legacy software, let alone 68k ones will not notice anything.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@zzd10h

Have you read this? http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=1131

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@zzd10h

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What is the practical use of this new function in daily OS4 use ?

More memory available for all the program or "only" a DataSpace as we have under z/OS ?

at the moment there's nothing using it at release time. the SDK with the associated includes and documentation are about to be released. one feature that is planned is for the ram-handler to make use of it so you have a RAM disk (or RAD disk) that can address all of storage. but, yeah, it's rather like z/OS in that program executable code remains in below the bar and data can live above it. this way they can allow programs to make use of all of storage while keeping the operating system itself 31/32-bit.

there are other uses being planned by third-parties which were mentioned to me, but i'm not sure i can talk about them yet. the most information about it to-date is on the hyperion developer blog.

-- eliyahu

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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If the new Ram Disk can sit in >31 bit ram space, Is the driver still limited to an 8 bit value, that is only 256 instances, or has itself been recoded for 32/62 bit support? As in 2 billion instances plus?

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