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cdimauro 
Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system?
Posted on 18-Oct-2015 10:17:39
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@Massi: the content speaks differently. You pointed the finger against what you think aren't "real amigans".

In fact, then you've shown you real intention, with comments #1325 and, specially, #1326...

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@cdimauro

Should I really explain that the "above people" is referred to "real Amigans", only 1 line up?

I must go, be more careful next time.

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cdimauro 
Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system?
Posted on 18-Oct-2015 10:24:46
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@Massi: your definition of "real amigans" is HIGHLY questionable.

Anyway, you should notice that your intervention generated more trouble than what you, on paper, wanted to avoid, since the discussion was already getting in the sink...

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pavlor 
Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system?
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@cdimauro

Quote:
since the discussion was already getting in the sink...


Already? Since page 1 of this very thread, I fear.

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cdimauro 
Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system?
Posted on 18-Oct-2015 10:28:42
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@pavlor: well, since from the first comment I think.

I was referring to the recent (sub) discussion about AmigaOS vs rest of mainstream o.ses.

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OlafS25 
Re: How to make AmigaOS a leading operating system?
Posted on 18-Oct-2015 10:51:49
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@Massi

it is a rather strange discussion in 2015

I found some old "Intel outside" stickers in old magazines and can remember the common attitude at that time. But we are older and at least some of us have changed their views over the time. Windows is like Linux or MacOS a piece of software with advantages and disadvantages. For my work (and most other tasks) I need it, I do not "love" or "hate" it (sometimes curse it though when something does not work ). But at least I have the chance to find a solution for a problem because of the large number of users and the software base. I enjoy using what you call a "clone" because I use it purely as hobby and can live with its limitations but again I do neither "love" or "hate". Your definition of "true amigan" limits the numbers to what others call "fanboys" but that is not my definition and in your sense I am not a "true amigan". But I can live with that very good...

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smartroad 
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Posted on 18-Oct-2015 11:18:43
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@KingKong

I know that this is a controversial opinion but for OS4 to be considered for mainstream, I think it does need to be available on much lower cost hardware.

Take, for example, the Raspberry Pi. It has sold beyond the wildest dreams of its creator. There are many reasons why, even though the original was very limited (processor, RAM, storage, USB), I think a major reason is that it was $35. Something that cheap can be brought by almost anyone as an impulse purchase, and they wouldn't feel bad even if they didn't use it.

Take the Amiga at the moment, you are looking at a vast investment $1000++ for something that is as niche as the RPi was when it was released.

If AmigaOS could choose a partner to work with, say LinkSprite with the pcDuino v3 nano ($40), it could be on to a winner - even if it cost $100 for a complete system (board, OS and case only), people can justify that sort of cost for 'fun'.

Like I mentioned, I know this is controversial as it would mean moving from PPC to ARM, and I know people are somewhat attached to PPC. Personally I have no affinity for any CPU architecture - they all do the same thing, calculate, just some do it a little differently and with different costs. I also know that there could/would be problems with getting thing like the GPU working as companies can be a little 'unwilling' to allow people to make drivers. However using a board (like the pcDuino) there is only one set of hardware to support.

And when you look at it the pcDuino isn't that bad spec wise - 1GHz CPU (ignoring dual-core as AmigaOS can't use the second), 1GB RAM, SATA, twin USB (4 would be better but its a start), 4GB flash on board (Kickstart anyone?), upto 32GB SD card, HDMI and a selection of GPIO pins in an Arduino layout.

If AmigaOS 4.0 was sold with that for $100 I would certainly buy one. Heck it could be battery powered to!

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KingKong 
Re: How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system?
Posted on 18-Oct-2015 12:12:36
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pcDuino3 is a high performance, cost effective single board computer. It runs operation systems such as Ubuntu Linux and Android. pcDuino3 has HDMI interface to output its graphic desktop screen. It could support multi-format 1080p 60fps video decoder and 1080p 30fps H.264 and MPEG4 video encoder with its built-in hardware video processing engine. It targets specially the fast growing demands from the open source community. pcDuino3 provides easy-to-use tool chains and is compatible with the popular Arduino ecosystem such as Arduino Shields.

CPU: AllWinner A20 SoC, 1GHz ARM Cortex A7 Dual Core
GPU: OpenGL ES2.0, OpenVG 1.1, Mali 400 Dual Core
DRAM: 1GB
Onboard Storage: 4GB Flash, microSD card (TF) slot for up to 32GB
Video Output: HDMI with HDCP support
OS: Ubuntu 12.04, Android 4.2
Arduino extension interface: 14xGPIO, 2xPWM, 6xADC, 1xUART, 1xSPI, 1xI2C (Arduino sockets, same as Arduino UNO)
Network interface: Built-in WiFi, Ethernet 10/100/1000 Mbps
Audio out: 3.5mm analog audio interface, I2S stereo digital audio interface
LCD: LVDS
IR: IR receiver
SATA: SATA Host socket
Camera: MIPI
Battery: Li-Poly Battery Interface
USB: 1 x USB host, 1xUSB OTG
Power: 5V, 2000mA
Overall Size: 121mm x 65mm
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reichelt elektronik

reichelt elektronik - Single board computer

Comparison of single-board computers

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Fairdinkem 
Re: How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system?
Posted on 19-Oct-2015 9:47:43
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Now that we have heard from Steven Solie that Timberwolf is held hostage due to community members making threats to the Friedens it seems that Timberwolf will never eventuate or ever become open source. Do we think it is possible that we can generate funds to have another port of Firefox to AmigOS that will be open source, I sincerely hope so because I would donate?

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OlafS25 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2015 9:49:52
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@Fairdinkem

Hueh? Held hostage because of threats against Friedens? As far as I remember there was a paragraph in the bounty that they have to open the sources after 1 year. What else? To me it sounds like a cheap excuse not to open sources because they are not interested that the other camps could benefit from it.

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OlafS25 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2015 9:53:00
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@Fairdinkem

And OWB? It IS open source (sources from aros freely accessible). One time port is useless with something that is is development so who would update it assuming firefox would be ported?

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wawa 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2015 10:23:07
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@OlafS25

"held hostage"? "threats"? are we watchnig some b movie here? except that some apparently think it is reality. im starting to ask myself are these really only not very clever excuses or result of something more serious..

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Fairdinkem 
Re: How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system?
Posted on 19-Oct-2015 10:31:12
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@OlafS25

Steven said that the changes are being withheld by the developers of Timberwolf.

OWB does not serve me well with the pages I visit, and access to the many awesome plugins Firefox has are valuable to me. The reality is that even with the awesome effort that has been done with OWB for the MorphOS community I have rarely seen updates to the AmigaOS 4.1 FE version. It doesn't meet my web browsing needs I simply don't use my Pegasos2 anymore because I can't make use of it.

You ask who will update the Firefox port? Well that is the point of it being open source, anyone can contribute to its maintenance.

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wawa 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2015 10:59:44
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@Fairdinkem

dont these people know contractual obligations of a license, or are they just knowing none will call them on it. we have to do with os4 after all.

and good luck in contributing to open source kept histage ;)
you obvoisly dont see any contradiction in it, right?

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Fairdinkem 
Re: How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system?
Posted on 19-Oct-2015 12:02:27
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@wawa

Hey I don't like the situation like everyone else I just want Firefox ported to my favourite operating system. I'm no lawyer I don't know the in and outs of what to hold them accountable to I just wish they would deliver a complete Timberwolf or give it to the community to complete and maintain either way is better than what the situation is now.

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duga 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2015 12:06:11
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@Fairdinkem

Use Odyssey 1.23 instead of OWB. Much better.

Edit: you find it here: http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=network/browser/odyssey.lha

Last edited by duga on 19-Oct-2015 at 05:46 PM.

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OlafS25 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2015 12:07:11
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@Fairdinkem

yes everyone can. But somebody must finally. A port of a browser that is not updated is becoming useless. Deadwood is porting newest version of OWB to Aros and the sources are available in public. When you say that even OWB is not updated why do you think situation would be better with Firefox?

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OlafS25 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2015 12:07:46
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@duga

what is difference?

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Vistaus 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2015 12:12:23
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@Fairdinkem

Timberwolf is so slow and heavy, it's unusable on my AmigaOne 500. Odyssey 1.23 works fine with almost all pages and doesn't slow my AONE500 down (though page loading times could be improved).

Last edited by Vistaus on 19-Oct-2015 at 12:13 PM.

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Fairdinkem 
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Posted on 19-Oct-2015 12:12:32
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@duga

When I write OWB I mean Odyssey 1.23 it is what I used when I last booted my Pegasos2

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