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Trewq 
Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 10-Apr-2015 20:24:34
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Since you wrecked the PS2 thread pretty much


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Is there any demand for AmigaOS4 then?


Yes, Trevor said that should there be no demand for AmigaOne's that he'll stop with the X1000.

Now three new AmigaOne's are made

X3500, X5000/20 and X5000/40

Acube made specially for Amiga users a revision of the Sam 460 motherboard, the Sam 460cr
and are now selling a new AmigaOne 500 based on the new board.

No demand eh ?



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Commodore Amiga computers have a historical reputation that can not be changed nor achieve today.


No shit

Why are you so being incredibly stubborn insisting that the new machines are supposedly be new "Commodore Amiga's" ?

No there aren't magical fairy chips in the machines which outperform everything else on the market.
That is unrealistic and just plain dumb.

AmigaOne's are made to run AmigaOS, not to run next-gen Shadow of the Beast



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That you for your personal feelings and money greedy people trying to suck money out of this is sickening to watch.


It doesn't take rocket science to see that nobody makes money out of it and that making money isn't the primary goal.

I remember that Hyperion and for certain individuals within Hyperion has stated multiple times that they are huge Amiga fans,

Hyperion didn't have to bring out OS4, 4.1 and 4.1 FE for the 1992 Amiga 1200

Who the heck would use over 20 year old machines for modern day use ??
Amiga enthusiasts, such as Hyperion/the AmigaOS team.

Not a real big install base , 20+ year old computers with super rare PPC cards, if you ask me.


Again, A-EON lost money on the X1000, how would a machine with a out of the line military CPU be profitable ?

Ticks ? only the ignorant will see that.

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So it is you who is trying to derail. The Amiga finished its run in 1994 so get over with it.


Ah yes, I may not enjoy my AmigaOne and AmigaOS because.. ?

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 10-Apr-2015 20:57:37
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Trewq wrote:
Since you wrecked the PS2 thread pretty much

Yes, Trevor said that should there be no demand for AmigaOne's that he'll stop with the X1000.

Now three new AmigaOne's are made

X3500, X5000/20 and X5000/40

Whats the point actually, an insanely expensive overpriced PPC Linux box because AOS4 have no SW and can not utilize the hardware resources?

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Acube made specially for Amiga users a revision of the Sam 460 motherboard, the Sam 460cr
and are now selling a new AmigaOne 500 based on the new board.

No demand eh ?

That HW can at least get utilized by an OS still stuck in the nineties and incompatible with the Amiga.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 10-Apr-2015 21:11:32
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Ah yes, I may not enjoy my AmigaOne and AmigaOS because.. ?


Well that's probably because you're getting older and people think you don't appreciate modern technology or how to apply what you have learned over the years to todays super fast CPUs, GPUs and other gizmo's like THIS GUY does with his expensive gadget.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 10-Apr-2015 21:41:16
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@thread

Although I wouldn't normally post in thread like this
on moobunny (if you don't post it disappears) it's nice
to have kind of open field here ...

Thing that nobody ever discussed (and which was / is
puzzling my limited brain capacity) is why wouldn't AEon
simply buy Hyperion and ensure AmigaOS 4 (and some
other rights such as AmigaOne trademark) for the future
of all it's users ?

I don't mean just buyout but a contract where Hyperion
would keep his profit as it is now for the future while
AEon would protect it's rights.

Maybe Morphos and PPC Aros couldn't be ported to their
hardware then but I somehow don't see any of AEon
hardware made for that purpose anyway.

I still see two companies not just one and all companies
by their definition try to make profit (yes , I am aware that
this word in this context is little silly but still..) _for themselves_.

There could be valid reason that couldn't be discussed
publicly though (i have no idea) ...

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@Trewq

What good are new expensive elite machines with NO software to use? This whole model of pricey alien hardware and no games or apps makes no sense at all.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
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@realize

9627

That is the number of pieces of software on os4depot alone, not including that which comes with the OS, or is only on aminet or is only on developer websites.





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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
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@blizz1220

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Thing that nobody ever discussed (and which was / is puzzling my limited brain capacity) is why wouldn't AEon simply buy Hyperion and ensure AmigaOS 4 (and some other rights such as AmigaOne trademark) for the future of all it's users ?


Perhaps A-EON don't see Hyperion as being unsteady as generally percvieved and feel the money would be better spent on other developments.

There is also the possibility that Hyperion don't want to sell or the price is too high.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 11-Apr-2015 9:01:33
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@realize

Well, the "cheap" PPC option for AOS4 is 440/460.

My impression has been that Trevor built what he wanted for himself to run said OS, and opened up for others to join in on the option aswell.

People use serious money on their hobbies, be it vintage computers, barbiedolls, cars, stamps and the list goes on.
Performance/usability vs price isnt always the prime argument.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
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@Overflow

At least you don't need a magnifying glass to see its fake Amiga but when the collector is missing the brain even a wooden stick can be a doll.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 11-Apr-2015 14:25:05
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@Hillbillylitre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yziMNt1rBk4

Next your going tell me this are not real cars

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
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Okay, even a wooden stick could be a doll but not the real doll, and wooden sticks even grow on trees.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 11-Apr-2015 14:36:55
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@blizz1220

Quote:
Thing that nobody ever discussed (and which was / is
puzzling my limited brain capacity) is why wouldn't AEon
simply buy Hyperion and ensure AmigaOS 4 (and some
other rights such as AmigaOne trademark) for the future
of all it's users ?


Buying the company entails buying the debt.

According to the postings, those who contacted Amiga Inc. ran into this quandry as well.

Lawyers tend to make "unusual" requests/demands on behalf of their clients. Heh.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 11-Apr-2015 14:47:38
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@number6

That's part of negotiation process

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Heh. You betcha.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 11-Apr-2015 14:56:39
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@Hillbillylitre

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That HW can at least get utilized by an OS


There won't not be any Radeon drivers if there were no PCI/PCIe express ports.
There will not be any USB drivers if there were no USB ports.
If there where no SATA ports, there wont be any SATA drivers.

At least having modern hardware enables newer hardware to be supported, having a computer from 90's, leaves you with computer that is limited by hardware from that time.

let's face it IDE and SCSI is pretty old technology.

And 256 colors is not a lot this days.

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still stuck in the nineties and incompatible with the Amiga.


Way do you won't to run old program from the 90's?

Most programs from the 90's are outdated.

It's bit like trying to edit a true color picture image with PPaint, and ending up with HAM8 image, all you end up is big loss in image quality, now you might suggest to me I should use TVPaint, because it support true colors, but guess what, it does not support PNG.

The oldest program I have run on AmigaOS4.1 is LastHope from the late 80's , LastHope I used a lot on Kickstart 1.2, did not use workbench back then.

There are programs that work, but the most program from that time period is hardware dependent. And the old hardware is not that great today.

I remember having read/write errors on floppy disks, everyday back the 80's.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
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@Hillbillylitre

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but when the collector is missing the brain even a wooden stick can be a doll.


I assume you're talking about yourself because there's no way that could be directed to me.

Great, finally you admit that you can´t see the difference between us calling an Amiga 500 an Amiga and an AmigaOne an Amiga.

I sure can! even a child can !

But here´s the problem, you're so subborn that you don't want to learn.

Why do we still at times call an AmigaOne just an Amiga ?

Well see it like this..

For example,
the very first James Bond actor is Sean Connery.

Sean, however he is way too old to star as a good James Bond anymore so the latest James Bond actor is Daniel Craig.

While the newest James Bond films may not feature Sean anymore, you can still call it a James Bond film, it has the same universe and all the same James Bond characteristics

But there are deluded people like you who think by calling the newest Daniel Craig films James Bond films
is incorrect because Sean is not acting in them.

What do you want us to call them then? "a James Bondish movie which features Daniel Craig"?

Sounds dumb right ?
Better just call them James Bond Movies like they are, and by that nobody in the world means an
James Bond movie which features Sean Connery as Bond.



I can call my AmigaOne an Amiga, since it has all the characteristics of an Amiga, such as the early start-up menu found on all 2.x and 3.x systems, can run Amiga software, has the AmigaOS (duh), to name a few.

It only can't natively run OCS games, but thats like a just modern PC not able to run hardcoded EGA games, that doesn't mean that it isn't a PC anymore.

I'm making a video of my AmigaOne running various 68k or "real" (which doesn't make sense) Amiga programs, so you can see my AmigaOne running the 1984 Boing Ball demo made for the lorraine prototype, how much more Amiga can you get ?

And of course, by calling my AmigaOne an Amiga I don't mean that it is an machine with the OCS chipset with the 68000 cpu.


*Hillbillylitre logic*
Hey guys, shouldn't be calling PC's PC's anymore, they aren't IBM 5150 compatible.

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Re: Hey Hillbillylitre, why don't you come moan over here instead?
Posted on 11-Apr-2015 16:08:54
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@Hillbillylitre

Whats called what, be it "amiga" or "doll" isnt really intresting as long as the computeruser/collector have fun using xyz equipment.

Why people get overly worked up over a simple label is beyond me.

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@Trewq

I wouldn't waste your breath, he is just a troll, no attempt at any constructive criticism, only destructive.

If he has so much energy to be this destructive, then maybe he could channel it into improving the situation for all Amiga flavours by producing hardware, doing repairs, writing software, etc etc.

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@Trewq

By the same token, modern day Apple MacIntosh hardware bears no resembleance to 68000 Macs (or PPC Macs for that matter); & while Mac OS looks similar its also very different below the surface. Yet 68000 Macs, PPC Macs and Intel based Macs are all still MacIntosh computers. As far as I am concerned calling an AmigaOne X1000 an Amiga is just as valid as calling a modern Mac a Mac. And if someone is going to argue that the AmigaOnes are not made by Commodore, well Gateway computers are made by Acer now not by Gateway, so again what is the difference.

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@Trewq

Quote:

Trewq wrote:
@Hillbillylitre

Quote:
but when the collector is missing the brain even a wooden stick can be a doll.


I assume you're talking about yourself because there's no way that could be directed to me.

Great, finally you admit that you can´t see the difference between us calling an Amiga 500 an Amiga and an AmigaOne an Amiga.

I sure can! even a child can !

But here´s the problem, you're so subborn that you don't want to learn.

Why do we still at times call an AmigaOne just an Amiga ?

Well see it like this..


Nah... it's actually like this...

Slight problem... or rather an incredibly major problem with your flawed argument there...

Main thing being an AmigaOne is quite simply NOT an Amiga and never has been & never will be (whether you like to call it that or not)...

You see it comes down to plain simple reality of life. the world an dhow things work, that reality being... the only OFFICIAL Amiga range of computers were those sold & manufactured by Commodore and later on Escom/ Gateway for a short while...

Now for you arguments sake with the James bond nonsense, lets use that "logic" in the following scenario...

-----------------
You've got a few bob to spare and quite fancy buying yourself a nice new Rolls Royce and are quite willing to pay a million quid for it.
I say to you "I'll sell you that nice Rolls Royce you're after for that million quid" and you agree...

I then deliver to you a nice brand new Mini with a Rolls Royce hood ornament on it and of course you'll (by your way of thinking/ logic) gladly accept it and be perfectly happy with it... wont you... !!!
-----------------
Course you will, cos after all that Mini just like the Rolls Royce has an engine, it runs on petrol, it's got four wheels (same characteristics)etc... etc... and I even put a nice wee roller hood ornament on it for you...

Now unless you aren't as "Deluded" as you attempt to claim the other poster is then you'd gladly accept that "Mini" as a "Rolls Royce" for that million quid to keep in line with your "James Bond" analogy... wouldn't you...

You can of course call absolutely anything you own whatever you wish to call it for your own personal satisfaction but the reality of the world is try selling what you call an "Amiga" (ie: your AmigaOne) to someone looking for a genuine Amiga and I reckon the only one being "deluded" will of course be yourself...

Now about that Rolls Royce.... I've got a nice one here I'll sell you at the bargain basement price of half a million quid...


PS: Just a quick question... If you bought/ ordered online from a company for example a nice new expensive Sony TV set amd paid gull price and what was actually delivered to you turned out to be a cheap, poorly built knock off branded with the Sony name on it, would you really as you argue (after all it does the same thing as the real Sony TV set does) keep it and be happy with it ??? After all you'd have too in order to live up to your word and not become one of the "Deluded"...

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