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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
Posted on 11-Oct-2015 11:52:48
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@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote:

Tripos has a tendency to be over-optimistic regarding MorphOS


The MorphOS Team has a tendency to be over-silent regarding MorphOS development (in contrast to Hyperion who has been over-hyping everything they can think of). They mentioning anything at all ahead of a release is quite sensational and it doesn't happen often at all. This IMHO brings more weight to their words, than for example Hyperion who has been talking about all the magic and wonders in OS4.2 for soon a decade, as well as loads of other features that simply was scrapped as time went by. I'm simply relaying the info that has (for once) been given. Didn't really add any "optimism" to it (horrible thought)!


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MorphOS team will certainly deliver "MorphOS NG" but certainly not in near future.


Facts are we know nothing about when they will present the "MorphOS NG". It's as simple as that.

But OK, let's bring some optimism : When they first presented this ambition (at the same time they presented the [then] upcoming MorphOS 3.x) a few years ago, they said that "within a few years, we will change the architecture".

(BTW, it was in 11-Nov-2011)


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And how related to Amiga it still is and what software runs on it (or more propably not) has to be seen. It will be something completely different even to existing MorphOS as I understand it.


It will be 64-bit, SMP, Memory Protected, small endian, etc, etc. In other words, it will have all those features that many Amigans has been dreaming about for a decade or more, but each and every one of those features on their own breaks Amiga compatibility. This is true for Amiga, for AROS, for MorphOS, for OS4. But I presume that for a regular user, it will look and feel pretty much the same as before, offering pretty much the same user experience (but better, faster, safer, etc At least I see no reason to believe it wouldn't), so your words "it will be something completely different" may perhaps be a sign of your over-negative tendency regarding MorphOS, and perhaps not entirely true from a user experience Point of View? I guess we will see when it gets here...

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
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@TRIPOS

I do not talk about user experience, user experience is desktop mainly. I talk about developer experience when trying to port applications.

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
Posted on 11-Oct-2015 12:11:36
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@OlafS25

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@TRIPOS

I do not talk about user experience, user experience is desktop mainly. I talk about developer experience when trying to port applications.


Of course you were, but your statement "It will be something completely different" may not be completely accurate to the 95% of the MorphOS users that falls outside this developer category (i.e. regular users). We'll see...

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
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- 3.10 will come with X5000 support and MIDI


I suppose this was the MIDI-demonstration part of the MorphOS Team's presentation...

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
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interesting thing is apparently morphos is going to support amiga ppc accelerators again. i might give it a shot. also natami has been demoed to some extent even though i dont see i booting anything amiga. only a photo of a setup screen.

besides the sonnet warpos solution is apparently coming along.

Last edited by wawa on 11-Oct-2015 at 12:20 PM.
Last edited by wawa on 11-Oct-2015 at 12:18 PM.

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
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@wawa

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interesting thing is apparently morphos is going to support amiga ppc accelerators again


I hope so. However, they demonstrated up to date MorphOS for PowerUP cards on shows in last years too.

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
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yes, but it wasnt intended to be released to the public. who knows, perhaps they have reconsidered winuae.

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
Posted on 11-Oct-2015 12:32:54
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Found Cloanto speech quite intresting;

http://www.twitch.tv/theshadowsnose/v/20000214

More spesifically at time: 03:27:47 and onwards regarding PPC emulation.

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
Posted on 11-Oct-2015 12:36:23
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@thread

Some combined links of video and pictures from the show:

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2015-10-00032-DE.html

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
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@pavlor

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@wawa

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interesting thing is apparently morphos is going to support amiga ppc accelerators again


I hope so. However, they demonstrated up to date MorphOS for PowerUP cards on shows in last years too.


Don't get your hopes up. Current PowerUP versions has existed all along and been shown in public at various gatherings for all these years. Nothing new really. Always the same "it might or it might not happen".

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
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@TRIPOS

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TRIPOS wrote:
@pavlor

Quote:

pavlor wrote:
@wawa

[quote]interesting thing is apparently morphos is going to support amiga ppc accelerators again


I hope so. However, they demonstrated up to date MorphOS for PowerUP cards on shows in last years too.


Don't get your hopes up. Current PowerUP versions has existed all along and been shown in public at various gatherings for all these years. Nothing new really. Always the same "it might or it might not happen".


[/quote]

i for my part do not place hopes with it. might check out morphos, but might skip it as well. chances i would become regular user are pretty low anyway.

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
Posted on 11-Oct-2015 19:58:54
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@TRIPOS

From what I can see MorphOS on X5000 is running using still the old X1650 gfx

How is proceding the RadeonHD drivers development? Any news?

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
Posted on 11-Oct-2015 20:59:47
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Hi All,

The Tabor board doesn't have a classic FPU with dedicated FPRs found on most other PowerPC systems. It is replaced with a set of SPE instructions which perform floating-point operations on the integer registers.
Important: The SPE unit can execute floating-point operations very fast. We have tested a lot of programs with FPU operations this year.
Tabor sound, 3D acceleration, and network work without any problems on Debian PowerPCSPE. I'm very surprised about the performance of this board.
Note: It is also possible to install a normal PowerPC distribution of Linux on this board. The missing FPU instructions are emulated for PowerPC programs by the Linux kernel.


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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
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@TRIPOS

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TRIPOS wrote:

Don't get your hopes up. Current PowerUP versions has existed all along and been shown in public at various gatherings for all these years. Nothing new really. Always the same "it might or it might not happen".



One of the reasons why no current PowerUP release saw the day of light was the fact that it cannot get registered any more as the reg server for PowerUp is dead. The 0.x and 1.x PowerUP demos time out after 2hrs instead of 30 mins, dunno about the 3.x PowerUp version.
Thing is, if you want to use Odyssey you need plenty of RAM. Most other stuff works nice on less. Years ago I ran MorphOS 1.4.5 on my 1200ppc (603e, SCSI, 200MHz, 64MB RAM) and it was quite fine.

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
Posted on 11-Oct-2015 23:39:28
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@kyle

For 2D and 3D acceleration, the R500 series is the max supported.
While not mentioned, the best of these is the Radeon X1950XTX a card with 512MB of GDDR4 memory.
Unlike OS4, Warp3D emulation under Goa3D is not supported above the Radeon 9200.

So, even when MorphOS Radeon HD 3D driver support is introduced, no Warp3D titles will run under MorphOS in systems equipped with higher end cards.

As new MorphOS titles do not rely on Warp3D, this is of limited importance.

Its not like we expect Hyperion to introduce titles compatible with our OS.

A Radeon HD 3D driver will be important to users of the SAM460 and X5000, but the majority of MorphOS users do not fall into that category.

I, for one, am just glad that the X1950 driver does not require a specific bios.

This means a PC Radeon X1950Pro AGP card works just fine in a G5.
And, that should PCI-e G5 support be introduced, I won't be limited to the Apple X1900GT 256MB video card (which is only slightly more powerful than an X800XT), but that I should be able to use the previously mentioned X1950XTX.

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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
Posted on 12-Oct-2015 0:07:38
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@thread

AMIcast - Episode 7 - Amiga 30 years Germany

Interviews and q/a with:

Quote:
Trevor Dickinson / A-EON,
Christian Zigotzky / A1222 Tabor (new Amiga board),
Daniel Müßener / Cherry Darling,
Antoine Dubourg / SoundBankster (MorphOS),
Jacek Piszczek / MorphOS,
Hogne Titlestad / FriendOS (UP),
Costel Mincea / Hyperion Entertainment (AmigaOS 4),
Hans-Jörg Frieden / Frieden brothers (AmigaOS 4),
Petro Tyschtschenko / Commodore International/Amiga Technologies,
RJ Mical / Inventor (of: Amiga, Atari Lynx etc.), work at Google,
Mike Battilana / Cloanto (Amiga Forever).


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Re: Amiga30 in Neuss (Germany), 10th October
Posted on 12-Oct-2015 7:37:42
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@number6

Thanks for the AMIcast, intresting listen. As you said, the soundquality was a bit on the rough side, but for the most part it was possible to make out what they where saying.

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