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blizz1220 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 11:48:45
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@Overflow

I have a big house not a problem

I would buy one though because it's likely that there would
be some progress and usability with 10 000 users.Maybe even
some cool games and demos again

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OlafS25 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 11:52:10
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@blizz1220

you do not understand him. He means you need storage for 10.000 devices

more than that... you need administration, marketing and so on. You would need people working fulltime on it

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iggy 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 12:01:52
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@OlafS25

Have you noticed that we appear to be faced with a wave of messages intended to convince us that this board's deficiencies are not important and that everyone should just accept them?

Last edited by iggy on 13-Oct-2015 at 12:07 PM.

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blizz1220 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 12:04:41
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@OlafS25

I have 50 meters square basement 2.5 meters tall.
I can probably make some more space for storage.

Send the boards !

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OlafS25 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 12:09:52
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@iggy

it seems so...

but it is only a vague annnouncement and only Linux running on it, no AmigaOS shown. It hardly makes sense to buy it to use Linux, there are better hardware options for it.

And 1000 EUR in 2015 for a two core 1.2 Ghz system with only one core used? Besides the compatibility problems it seems to have because of processor

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OlafS25 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 12:10:51
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@blizz1220

and also enough room for several work places for logistics and administration? Where do you live then? In garage?

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Overflow 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 12:11:30
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@iggy

I know very little about hardware specs and the finer details about how that impacts performance, regarding OS or in general.

That said, I defintly dont mind seeing constructive critisism regarding choice of hardware or whatnot.

At then end of the day; its not me/us footing the bill, and if X entity has decided that Y hardware specs is set in stone, then the enduser have to decide if its value for money.
Im sure AeonKit and Acube reads coherent comments regarding all facets of their operation, and evaluate it vs their plans and if its feasible/make economic sense from their POV.
Their POV might be different from some of ours considering the position their earlier choices have put them.

Etc...

Last edited by Overflow on 13-Oct-2015 at 12:14 PM.

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OlafS25 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 12:17:39
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@Overflow

I assume that Acube is mainly selling embedded hardware with Linux or similar for industrial purposes, that is where most of hardware like this is sold today. So FPU problems are certainly not the main problem there. Trevor D. is a wealthy fan but not a engineer so he certainly has to rely on what others recommend.

But everyone can decide himself if he wants to spend the money on it as long expectations are realistic. Partly they are not. On another forum someone who bought a Sam 460 was surprised that it is slower than a modern standard PC.

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blizz1220 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 12:22:09
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@OlafS25

Okay you got me there , basement is occupied with ping pong
table anyway so I'll stop posting off topic.

I think strange CPU choice might have been decided by what was
offered for sale and price of it (by Freescale or whomever).

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iggy 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 12:24:01
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@OlafS25

Well, those manuals pictured did have A-eon's name on them.
In any case, whether its appreciated or not, consumers in our market need to critically analyze any hardware before considering spending their hard earned money on it.

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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 12:27:21
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@iggy

It would be better to put a core i5 or i7 on this board, it would run OS4 better than e500v2 :D

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pavlor 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 15:17:53
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@WolfToTheMoon

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It would be better to put a core i5 or i7 on this board, it would run OS4 better than e500v2 :D


From my own experience, no.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 15:19:21
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@Dandy

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Care to explain what "arther" means?


Rather.

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wawa 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 15:57:50
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@pavlor

Quote:
From my own experience, no.

this would be valid statement, if you actually had experience with os4 running on the board in question here, in comparison. but since os4 doesnt run on it..

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pavlor 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 16:33:17
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@wawa

Quote:
this would be valid statement, if you actually had experience with os4 running on the board in question here


True.

However, from pure specs it couldn´t be worser than 128 MB RAM in WinUAE.

Quote:
but since os4 doesnt run on it..


Linux only board? That would be insane (even by standards of world of Amiga). Who would buy out-dated, over-priced desktop oriented motherboard for Linux?
P1022 is bad (I could use stronger word...) choice for CPU, but A-Eon/Hyperion can sell this board only to one market and it isn´t the Linux one.

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cdimauro 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 16:42:02
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@pavlor: the 128MB limit can be lifted with a little patch, if some OS4 dev works on it.

Anyway, in WinUAE as a solution was blamed due to the bad FPU performance, but now we have a board with costs double or triple the amount of a good PC configuration (for THIS purpose, I mean), which will have bad FPU performance too...

BTW, the current WinUAE beta finally introduced a 64-bit (x64) JIT, which works also for the FPU. So, the performance for 68K emulation should increase (much more free registers are available), and I think also QEMU performance should increase, because now it can run in 64-bit mode using the extended set of registers.

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pavlor 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 16:57:34
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@cdimauro

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the 128MB limit can be lifted with a little patch


Of course.

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if some OS4 dev works on it.


And that is the problem...


FPU performance in WinUAE is not an issue. Only 3D games (Quake) or lame require faster FPU. I was surprised how non-essential is FPU in most applications.

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and I think also QEMU performance should increase, because now it can run in 64-bit mode using the extended set of registers.


In theory, we don´t have new qemu.dll yet.

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Spectre660 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 17:25:43
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@pavlor

Do you happen to have the Lame Benchmark results ?

Quote:

pavlor wrote:
@cdimauro

Quote:
the 128MB limit can be lifted with a little patch


Of course.

Quote:
if some OS4 dev works on it.


And that is the problem...


FPU performance in WinUAE is not an issue. Only 3D games (Quake) or lame require faster FPU. I was surprised how non-essential is FPU in most applications.

Quote:
and I think also QEMU performance should increase, because now it can run in 64-bit mode using the extended set of registers.


In theory, we don´t have new qemu.dll yet.

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pavlor 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 17:34:23
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@Spectre660

Of my WinUAE?

My last lame benchmark is with WinUAE 3.2 beta 3, OS4.1FE (I think I used debug kernel during test, so real result may be cca 10 % higher) on Core i5-2500K 3.3 GHz:

0.2770x with WhereDoAll....vaw


For comparison more lame results in Benchmarks time! thread.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Oct-2015 17:55:37
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@cdimauro

Quote:
the 128MB limit can be lifted with a little patch, if some OS4 dev works on it.

and
@pavlor

Quote:
Quote:
if some OS4 dev works on it.

And that is the problem...


Last speaker on the podcast:

the podcast

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