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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 19:13:37
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compared to modern hardware both do not look very good. |
I don´t think any Amiga hardware is comparable to mainstream computers for last 10 years... What is real competition for Tabor in our small market? |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 19:25:57
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What I would say is that there is a threshold of comfort with the AmigaNG powerpc systems. Once they preform the task at a speed that is comfortable to the user then there is no problem. Or If the don't then you can adjust the task. For example like re encoding videos from 480p mp4 to 480p xvid. Takes only a few minutes on my Windows 7 machine and plays back beautifully on my Sam 460ex.
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compared to modern hardware both do not look very good. |
I don´t think any Amiga hardware is comparable to mainstream computers for last 10 years... What is real competition for Tabor in our small market? |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 20:13:59
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iPad Air (1.4GHz A7 / "Cyclone" CPU) iOS 9.2
Safari:
Score: 8701 Richards: 12462 DeltaBlue: 15399 Crypto: 11813 RayTrace: 22644 EarleyBoyer: 18185 RegExp: 1145 Splay: 4281 NavierStokes: 7178
Opera:
Score: 473 Richards: 276 DeltaBlue: 280 Crypto: 399 RayTrace: 742 EarleyBoyer: 1397 RegExp: 164 Splay: 1089 NavierStokes: 437
Chrome:
Score: 461 Richards: 263 DeltaBlue: 259 Crypto: 402 RayTrace: 706 EarleyBoyer: 1347 RegExp: 166 Splay: 1087 NavierStokes: 440
I suppose Safari uses JIT and the others not... 
But even the non-JIT browsers are 3x - 10x faster than the Tabor.
And 16x faster than the Sam.
The iPad is 2 years old (2013). After that followed the A8 (said to be 20% faster than its predecessor) and after that the A9 (said to be 70-80% faster than its predecessor). iPad/iPhone of course runs completely battery powered and passively cooled.
The Tabor will be sold as a desktop on the 2016-2018 markets.
Think about it...
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 20:39:18
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ribdevil wrote: I have an AMIGA, the other it's a PC
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But what if your Amiga would have been based on a Core i5/i7?

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compared to modern hardware both do not look very good. |
I don´t think any Amiga hardware is comparable to mainstream computers for last 10 years... |
But wouldn't it be nice if that wouldn't be the case? If Amiga H/W wouldn't be so embarrasing backwards and ridiculously overprised?

Go for x86 already! |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 20:43:21
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I think a fair comparison would be tabor vs raspberry pi 2, ie low end hobby grade hardware that's not cranked out in millions of units. Lots of people use pi 2s for "desktop" type tasks like media center boxes.
Anyone here with a pi care to run the same tests and post the results? Last edited by CodeSmith on 08-Nov-2015 at 08:44 PM.
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 20:45:10
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But what if your Amiga would have been based on a Core i5/i7? |
There was Core i7 based Amiga... Amiga Mini from Commodore USA. 
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Exactly my words! |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 20:45:20
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Go for ARM then!
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 20:47:13
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Still waiting from my Ipod touch G1 to finish the benchmarks.
Richards at 25.90 . I think that it cost in the region of US$400.00 in its day .
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 20:49:53
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I think a fair comparison would be tabor vs raspberry pi 2 |
FireBee, ArcMini or other boards targeting similar markets as ours would be better for comparison.
Tabor has decent features for our needs, only real use will show, if its known weak points are prohibitive. As we wrote numerous times in this very thread, final price will be most important factor. |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 20:56:37
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The Tabor will be sold as a desktop on the 2016-2018 markets. |
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Do you get people buy boards for OS4 with even worser price/performance ratio than Tabor? Yes, it is insane, but even with such burden these computers stay competitive (in number of users) to dirty cheap second hand hardware (for MorphOS) or powerful and cheap PCs (for AROS). Even with facts and numbers, you can´t beat power of Amiga name.  |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 21:13:22
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G1 ipod touch cant do the benchmark. Stuck after Richards. Apple you Swine!!!!!
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Still waiting from my Ipod touch G1 to finish the benchmarks.
Richards at 25.90 . I think that it cost in the region of US$400.00 in its day .
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 21:23:59
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| What could be perfomance advantage of AOS4 if Tabor was based on T1022 or T1042 instead of P1022?
Is T series much faster than P series?
I mean considering that AOS4 does not have support for 64-bit or multicore. What will be pure e500v2 core vs e5500 core result?
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 21:43:57
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What could be perfomance advantage of AOS4 if Tabor was based on T1022 or T1042 instead of P1022? |
Unless you know someone that has a T1040RDB or a T1042RDB-PA, that is a moot question (and those cost $1500). Besides, that is just self flagellation. |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 22:10:23
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I mean considering that AOS4 does not have support for 64-bit or multicore. What will be pure e500v2 core vs e5500 core result? |
e500v2 vs e5500: 2.3 DMIPS/MHz vs 3.0 DMIPS MHz slow/uncompatible FPU vs normal FPU 1200 MHz vs 1400 MHz |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 22:21:12
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What could be perfomance advantage of AOS4 if Tabor was based on T1022 or T1042 instead of P1022? |
Unless you know someone that has a T1040RDB or a T1042RDB-PA, that is a moot question (and those cost $1500). Besides, that is just self flagellation. |
OK, only data from CPU specification is available. I can read that e500v2 is 2.4 MIPS per MHz, and e5500 is 2.9 MIPS per MHz. Also T1022/1042 can be clocked at 1.4 MHz, while P1022 maximum is 1.2 GHz.
That is 2880 MIPS for P1022 vs 4060 MIPS for T1022!
Also T has normal FPU.
I dont know what system bus and memory speed numbers are, but I guess that P1022 has faster bus. I would like to know that since it can have significant impact on overall system perfomance 
But from MIPS data and clock in MHz T1022 can be 30% faster than P1022. MIPS can be compared if CPU is from the same familiy.
Personally I would like to have T1022/T1042, but in the same moment I am not really impressed with only 30% faster CPU 
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 22:34:58
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Freescale lists various DMIPS/MHz values for its products (2.3 and 2.4 for e500, 2.9 and 3.0 for e5500 etc.). You may also compare Coremark scores:
P1022 1.2 GHz: 3720 (single core) T1023 1.4 GHz: 5180 (single core) |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 22:35:59
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I mean considering that AOS4 does not have support for 64-bit or multicore. What will be pure e500v2 core vs e5500 core result? |
e500v2 vs e5500: 2.3 DMIPS/MHz vs 3.0 DMIPS MHz slow/uncompatible FPU vs normal FPU 1200 MHz vs 1400 MHz |
May I add that if board is designed for T1022 from the begining then also faster versions can be easily produced since several CPU types from that family are pin compatible (just found that information)!
T1022: 2 core e5500 1.4 GHz T1042: 4 core e5500 1.4 GHz T2081: 4 core e6500 1.8 Ghz
I guess you can then just make several versions of the same motherboard with different CPU? Even e6500 is possible?
I guess that will be the next 12xx project from A-Eon.
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 22:52:08
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it will everything depend on the price |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 22:55:54
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Raspberry is unbeatable cheap, I think 30 EUR for the board. It is a toy but a very cheap toy. The PPC devices are much more expensive and in range of well equipped good ARM or Intel/AMD based systems (not to talk about used systems). |
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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon Posted on 8-Nov-2015 23:00:31
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from the comments I read from Fab the chance for getting the JIT on PPC are pretty small so the existing difference in performance will stay (not to talk about the hardware). For me PPC based systems in 1 Ghz range have no chance. |
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