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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 10:27:17
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If Tabor is ok will very much depend on the price, hardware is far inferior even today, not to speak of 2017 or 2018.


Amiga 1200 was prizing only £ 999 (italian lira) with an 20mb hd when was released and performances was not the best for that time too ... but we know how much funny that machine was and is tooday too ..
At that time a Teacher salary was about £ 700 to £ 800 (italian lira)


About Tabor...
Im sure with the machine you will browse internet good , you will able to see hd video (on linux for sure) and use Libre Office without problem (on Linux) ... AmigaOS on tabor im sure at 100% will be a rocket... not because only the integer of the cpu but because the ram and the pcie ...

Dont think to use the tabor for have Star Wars Battlefront (2015) or any last gen games ... not because the hardware but only because no one will make a porting of it. Sed but true

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 10:34:22
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@tlosm

we will see but the problem is that Javascript JIT is not available on PPC (and will not be from what I have read) so the performance difference when using Odyssey will be huge. That will be even more visible on slow embedded hardware like the hardware from Acube or Tabor. As long people are realistic what they get and the price is right then it will propably sale.

Not interesting to me personal of course

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 10:37:17
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@OlafS25

Amusing. Under-powered and over-priced FPGA cards are OK, but the same doesn“t apply to PowerPC products...
Even for 100 USD, Vampire would have worser price/performance ratio than SAM.

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OlafS25 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 10:50:50
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@pavlor

it is geek and fun. Underpowered and overprized seems familar to me, are you not the one justifying it in the other case just because of the "Amiga" sticker on it?

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
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@OlafS25

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it is geek and fun.


Exactly. Both FPGA and PowerPC.

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are you not the one justifying it in the other case just because of the "Amiga" sticker on it?


You know me too well.

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paolone 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 11:18:56
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Spectre660 wrote:
@paolone

The main components for my Windows 7 machine cost less than US$200.00 (Motherboard,ram & CPU), so enought cash left to purchase a powerpc machine to run AmigaOS 4.1 . Nothing hurting .


That's wasn't about money. At all. You can easily spend whatever you like on goods you already know all about (beginning with "what I can expect"). Nobody stops you and if that makes you happy, it should be good for everyone.

With "hurting yourselves" I meant this attitude of enjoying like crazy for every overpriced, underpowered PPC machine escaped from industrial controllers stockhouses deepest corners, trying to convince others (and first of all yourselves) that those sadly-when-not-ridicolously low benchmark results are "worth to buy", even if similar performing machines cost 1/10th ~ 1/20th, and are considered "toys" for modders and electronics addicted people.

Are you REALLY happy about them? The only selling point for Tabor is a better affordability than the other AmigaOS-compatible hardware, but while its price is still a mystery, all its shortcomings are already public! I'm sorry, but the more time lasts, the lesser I can see the point in all this.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 11:22:45
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@pavlor

the geek part regarding PPC is not understandable to me but that is a basic difference between the AmigaOS fans and most of the others. But we will see how Tabor and X5000 will compare in reality and how much expecially Tabor will cost.

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OlafS25 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 11:25:05
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@paolone

you will not persuade them to drop PPC. They think different there so to say. And there are no alternatives when you want to run AmigaOS on real hardware.

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Spectre660 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 11:48:07
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@paolone

I used Amithlon for about 8 years then switched to a Sam440ep-Flex.
I enjoy using AmigaOS 4.1 .
AmigaOS 4.1 performs well on the two machines that I have used it on.
No other OS or emulation that I have used feel as smooth to me.
We will see how Tabor performs with AmigaOS 4.x .
Part of the fun is the anticipation in the AmigaOS team solving the "shortcomings" .

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@paolone

The main components for my Windows 7 machine cost less than US$200.00 (Motherboard,ram & CPU), so enought cash left to purchase a powerpc machine to run AmigaOS 4.1 . Nothing hurting .


That's wasn't about money. At all. You can easily spend whatever you like on goods you already know all about (beginning with "what I can expect"). Nobody stops you and if that makes you happy, it should be good for everyone.

With "hurting yourselves" I meant this attitude of enjoying like crazy for every overpriced, underpowered PPC machine escaped from industrial controllers stockhouses deepest corners, trying to convince others (and first of all yourselves) that those sadly-when-not-ridicolously low benchmark results are "worth to buy", even if similar performing machines cost 1/10th ~ 1/20th, and are considered "toys" for modders and electronics addicted people.

Are you REALLY happy about them? The only selling point for Tabor is a better affordability than the other AmigaOS-compatible hardware, but while its price is still a mystery, all its shortcomings are already public! I'm sorry, but the more time lasts, the lesser I can see the point in all this.

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 14:35:18
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@OlafS25

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Not interesting to me personal of course


Really? Really? Man, you guys sure do post a lot about what's not interesting to you. Round and round, saying the same things again and again for hundreds of posts.

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paolone 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 15:17:34
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@OlafS25

I don't want to persuade anyone to do smething they don't want to. I was just expressing my feelings.

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OlafS25 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 15:20:42
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@paolone

we have already annoyed at least one... it is way too early anyway, AmigaOS does not run on Tabor. We can discuss in one or two years again :)

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 0:58:35
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https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11387&post_id=122644&viewmode=flat&sortorder=0&showonepost=1

Powerbook 1.67Ghz.

Score: 178
Richards: 85.8
DeltaBlue: 80.3
Crypto: 183
RayTrace: 260
EarleyBoyer: 439
RegExp: 54.3
Splay: 652
NavierStokes: 195

PowerMac G5 @ 2.5Ghz
OWB 1.24

Score: 274
Richards: 143
DeltaBlue: 116
Crypto: 274
RayTrace: 401
EarleyBoyer: 823
RegExp: 74.4
Splay: 836
NavierStokes: 343

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 5:47:44
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@OlafS25

about java script jit not available on ppc ... i don know i use linux ppc on my quad g5 and all browser dont like miss nothing ... indeed i cant say if there is or not jit on java script on mozzila or others on linux ppc but all works good like on my osx el capitan on the x86 macs

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 5:52:46
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@Spectre660

... dont worry soon the result will change on linux ppc some accelerations missed in radeon will be finally turn on

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Nov-2015 16:55:08
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@Everblue

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have asked ACube on their Facebook page about the Sam460CR and they told me they have no intention of stopping its production.


Next time you ask, could you clarify whether the following program is still in place?

Sam460 customers can return AmigaOS 4.1 and get a refund


Perhaps you could be so kind as to clarify this as well:

Quote:
They sent me a notice yesterday that they were back in stock, I checked, they were available.

Today...nothing.

Source

#6

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Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Nov-2015 17:50:14
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@tlosm

Indeed, my i7 is 300 times faster then my os4 machine in the benchmark, but browsing is not :)

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iggy 
Re: New hardware: PPC-Motherboard A1222 "Tabor" by Acube/A-eon
Posted on 13-Nov-2015 21:12:13
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@OlafS25

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But we will see how Tabor and X5000 will compare in reality
..

Well, let's see...

P1022 @1.2GHz - e500v2 core Dhrystone figure per MHz 2.3 or 2.4 (depending on source).

vs.

P5020 @2.2 GHz - e5500 core Dhrystone figure per MHz 3.0.

So, its simple.
1200 x 2.4=2880
vs
2200 X 3.0=6600

Without factoring in the fpu issue, about 44% of the performance (by the most favorable figures).
Should any floating point instructions have to be emulated, then less.

BTW - A 1.4 GHz T1024 would perform at about 64% with no penalty.

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